Originally posted by C-Dic
IIRC, only the $400 units can use the HD addon, so in that case, they're the same price, so something's got to give.
The default premium package is still cheaper than the PS3 premium. Something doesn't really have to give, seeing as the HD addon is just that, an optional addon, not at all required and totally a bonus, while the Blu-Ray for the PS3 is required and thus increases the price.
Re: proof BluRay is winning over hd dvd!
Originally posted by preysin
look how many corps are backin the bluray formathttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluray#Corporate_support
with spiderman 3 comin to bluray first it will smash the hddvd sales plus starwars will come to bluray because of twentycenture fox.
better get a PS3 early becuase is goin to be cheaper and better than hd dvd. 💃 💃
I don't see any proof of anything there.
Here is an article comparing both HD DVD and BluRay:
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060801-7399.html
In the high definition horse race, it's HD DVD by a nose
8/1/2006 1:14:22 PM, by Nate Anderson
Blu-Ray and HD DVD have been locked in battle for supremacy in the next-generation optical disc wars, but it has so far been difficult to compare the merits of both technologies in head-to-head tests. Both had rocky product launches, and when the first players were finally released, each had problems. Toshiba's HD DVD was crippled by long load times (now improved), while the Samsung Blu-Ray player was also no speed demon, and had some scaling issues to boot.
Until the same disc was released in both formats, though, accurate comparisons weren't possible. Now that Warner has released three titles on both formats, comparisons have begun in earnest. High-Def Digest was one of the first sites to take an in-depth look at Training Day, Rumor Has It..., and Kiss Kiss Bang Bang. Their conclusion? The nod goes to HD DVD.
An unusual issue appeared right away. Training Day had cropping problems, with the Blu-ray version of the movie showing an estimated three to four percent less detail at the edges of the picture. The problem also "cropped up" in the other two films. With only one Blu-ray player available, it is impossible to say whether the problem is caused by the transfer process or by the player itself.
But Blu-ray's problems didn't end there. Occasional compression artifacts and brightness issues also led the site to crown HD DVD the winner. "In our first head-to-head comparison, we found the HD DVD to be superior," wrote Peter Bracke. "The unfortunate cropping of the Blu-ray image, coupled with more noticeable compression artifacts and an overall darker cast, can't compete with the more consistently pleasing presentation of the HD DVD."
Both formats are capable of exceptional picture quality; the differences mentioned appear to be minor and might not even be noticed by the average consumer. Still, early adopters who purchase expensive hardware are unlikely to be "average consumers" and may well care about such nuances.
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On a related article (comparing HD DVD to Blu-ray)
http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/kisskissbangbang.html#Supplements
This got me thinking, do you think it's possible that the war will be neverending? Perhaps the movie industry took a cue from the video game industry?
Three major video game consols. Take your pick for which selection you want to choose from.
Two major DVD types. Take your pick for which selection you want to choose from?
Ya know..
Both had rocky product launches, and when the first players were finally released, each had problems.
Toshiba launched just fine, and whatever bugs have been straightened out with 4 firmware upgrades available. The load times have NOT been fixed, really, even with 1.4 Firmware.
The BR player is still riddled with problems, the likes of which won't even be fixed until September, when HD-DVD has throughly kicked its ass.
I still say that its far too early to be comparing apples to oranges here. Both formats are bound to have flaws, but with the public JUST NOW settling comfortably into a DVD dominant movie industry, we have little to no concrete evidence. I say, wait a little while, THEN make your critiques and comments. Personally, I'm anxious to see what happens with the DVD Wars.
You heard it here first folks. A Microsoft Senior Manager pledges to keep costs low for consumers:
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=18809
Microsoft has offered the first real demonstration of its external HD-DVD drive for the Xbox 360 since its fleeting appearance at E3, but remains silent on pricing or a confirmed release date.Demonstrating the device to attendees at the DVD Forum in Los Angeles, Microsoft's senior program manager, Kevin Collins, refused to be drawn on the exact price point for the device - stating only that it would be among the least expensive of the HD DVD players to reach market.
"All the audio and video processing is done inside the Xbox," Collins stated, noting that research indicates the majority of Xbox 360 owners already have HD televisions. The drive will provide them with all the other required equipment to watch HD DVD movies.
"This gives consumers choice and keeps their cost down," he added.
Sony's rival Blu-ray format, the drive for which will be built into the PlayStation 3 console as standard, is slated for a worldwide in November. Microsoft has chosen to support HD-DVD instead, and insists that it will keep the HD-DVD drive as an external device for the Xbox 360 in a bid to offer consumers a choice.
Whilst the picture quality has been deemed equal to most HD-DVD drives demonstrated at the event, the question of cost - something which every consumer is going to be acutely aware of - remains unanswered at this stage.
Microsoft is expected to launch the drive in time for Christmas, and it's thought that a specific release date and price point will be announced shortly.
Both formats will fail.......... blue ray will find a home in gaming, due to it's increased capacity over dvd. HD-DVD will be out there for the tech junkies (like C-dic) who are all into hi def........neither will ever come close to doing the same business as plain ol' dvd, much less surpass it. There is not upside to warrant a change in format for the public in large. Better picture quality........that's it, which most people don't care about. The disc is the same size.......no advantage. The disc is still fallable to the same scratching......no advantage.
HD-DVD is the new Laser Disc.....DVD is the new VHS. The laser-disc was around for 10 years for the tech junkies, didn't catch on as it offered no great advantage over VHS to warrant a massive public format change. Both fell to the wayside within 10 years of the introduction of dvd. HD-DVD will hang around as Laser Disc did for the tech junkie minority..........until the day when a new format comes along that will eradicate both HD-DVD and DVD........like miniature digital cartridges (think PS2 memory card size). It will offer a clear advantage over both formats in size and durability......while holding the same if not more data as HD-DVD to also give the superior quality that most of the public doesn't care about anyway.
Blue Ray will still be there on your PS3.........you'll be playing Devil May Cry 9 on it.
Originally posted by Evil Dead
Both formats will fail.......... blue ray will find a home in gaming, due to it's increased capacity over dvd. HD-DVD will be out there for the tech junkies (like C-dic) who are all into hi def........neither will ever come close to doing the same business as plain ol' dvd, much less surpass it. There is not upside to warrant a change in format for the public in large. Better picture quality........that's it, which most people don't care about. The disc is the same size.......no advantage. The disc is still fallable to the same scratching......no advantage.HD-DVD is the new Laser Disc.....DVD is the new VHS. The laser-disc was around for 10 years for the tech junkies, didn't catch on as it offered no great advantage over VHS to warrant a massive public format change. Both fell to the wayside within 10 years of the introduction of dvd. HD-DVD will hang around as Laser Disc did for the tech junkie minority..........until the day when a new format comes along that will eradicate both HD-DVD and DVD........like miniature digital cartridges (think PS2 memory card size). It will offer a clear advantage over both formats in size and durability......while holding the same if not more data as HD-DVD to also give the superior quality that most of the public doesn't care about anyway.
Blue Ray will still be there on your PS3.........you'll be playing Devil May Cry 9 on it.
Well, I've erased my reply 3 times becayse I'm teetering between pissed off and shaking my head at the level of ignorance displayed.
Real quick.
They won't fail, as HD-DVD is already a success, having pushed 200,000 units in the US in less than 2 months, with more being produced and enjoyed as we speak. It's always going to be a small niche, so don't expect it to surpass a 10 year old format right off the bat. SD-DVD is garbage in comparison when you look at the numbers. HD has 3 times the capacity, meaning better picture and sound quality for starters, a nice touch for HT enthusiasts, which are the target market here, anyway. Also, Sony's Blu-ray discs have a licnesed protective coating to prevent scratching and scuffing, so the last point was incorrect.
Laserdisc lasted 15 years, BTW. It never caught on entirely because it was an inconvenience for most, despite the numerous advantages. HD-DVD won't be around for 15 years, just because we'll all either be dead, or the technology would have been surpassed a long time before. It's the way it goes. Scaring people out of buying into HD , or FUD-ding (fear/uncertainty/doubt) with things that are all too obvious is wrong and unfair, as are the comparisons between formats.
There's a market for HD. It's being bought, somebody's going to win, and nobodies going to regret it, because at the end of the day, should they all go belly up, you've got the market's best upconverting DVD player and your favorite movies on an unbeatable format.