Originally posted by Darth Sexy
no no, bad reading comprehension would hint at me reading them, obviously I haven't been lately, so from now on I'll respond when I read something.
So wait, you haven't been reading them at all? No wonder all your posts lately have been so random, I thought you were high myself.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Did I say anything about those spirits? He just released the energy, and considering the narraration says that's what he did...
Yes. He released energy. But obviously he had to use some own energy to release the energy stored at the place. Did he have to ? I mean...given the fact that he was able to floor a Jedi Master on the other side of the Galaxy - what should stop him from moving a few stones aside to cause some avalanche ?
When does physical strength mean anything when the force is concerned? This's recalling this is a younger non-Sith Kun not expecting Nadd to yank the saber away...was Kun even using it when Nadd grabbed it? I'll have to reread that scene.
Seriously, Lightsnake: Does the concept of very basic logic now escape you ? Imagine you want to pull a car in a certain direction using the force. What would be easier: pull the car that stands around, or pull the car that moves into the opposite direction of that you want to pull it to ? Kun grabbed the lightsaber. So to pull it away from him, Nadd had to overcome Kun's physical strength using the force, correct ?
So some dialogue was exchanged...Matta's a moron one way or the other, this was obvious...there's nothing that indicates a duel took place. It says she refused to promote him and he lashed out. He goes to the Jedi Masters, they refuse him, so he goes to seek Matta out, where she tells him he can't be a Jedi and that some things he must find in himself. He screams at her, she doesn't tell him what he's lacking and he attacks, whereupon she leaves herself open. He kills her, sees what he's done and flees.
I'm asking myself now why we even discussing that certain topic. If Matta was a moron anyways, Nadd should have tooled her in a duel.
What? Tarkin was in complete control of the death Star. And that's two personal losses for Vader...the base on Hoth was totally wiped out and the imperials gained a voice on Cloud City for several years. And that's two battles out of many others Vader was involved in. And yes, the Rebellion was losing the war. Their numbers were severely depleted and some systems had defected back to the Empire.
Oh my.
Everytime Vader get's involved in some fight, something goes wrong. Did you ever notice that. He assaults Leia's vessel in ANH to retrieve the DS plans - and fails. Then the Millenium Falcon manages to escape his stardestroyer. Then - that's the most genious scene - he isn't able to locate Obi-Wan in the Millenium Falcon when he's standing right in front of the ship and senses his former master and he's also unable to sense the other people on the Falcon one of them being his son. LOL ?
In ESB his fleet first leaves hyperspace to early enabling the rebels to activate their shields. Then most rebels manage to escape before Vader is able to take over / destroy the base. Then he let's the fleet chase the Falcon. Nice idea especially because he's losing at least one Stardestroyer in the Asteroid field. And then he only manages to track down the Falcon on Bespin because of sheer luck (Boba Fett watching the Falcon's escape).
Then Luke escapes from Bespin despite the fact that Vader had some nice amount of stormtroopers there and some nice amount of time to prepare some trap.
Sidious is also not the greatest when it comes to direct confrontation as we've seen multiple times. So if you want to use the fact that Nadd possibly did not manage to exterminate a guerilla force on his own planet to say that he's leagues beyond the most powerful Sith Lord then you would have to lower Sidious and Vader also.
Okay, stop this BS about Nadd continuously exiling people, because there's nothing backing it up. In fact, it just says wuite a time later after he kept exiling people they came back in force, so noone knew what was going on until this guerilla war happened. If you have a source of Nadd exiling criminals AFTER the guerilla war started, this point might hold some weight. In fact, it states the policy totally backfired on him.
Great. Because Arca thinks that Nadd wanted to exterminate the Beast Riders that must have been the case, correct ? Use some common sense. Nadd even went so far to put up Ommin and Amanoa against each other to have a reason for them to study Sith Magic. When Amanoa totally surpassed Ommin she stopped her studies and this was were Nadd came up with the "prophecy" that the Beast Riders would destroy her if she didn't continue her studies. That was why Amanoa informed the Jedi to get rid of the Beast Riders.
So if Nadd wanted his descendants to become as powerful as possible why shouldn't he leave some "threat" on the planet ? I mean: The Beast Riders were practically slaughtered once Amanoa used her Sith magic to strengthen her own troops until Arca arrived on the spot with his Battle Meditation. If Amanoa was able to nearly destroy them (even if they had some back up from the Jedi on the planet) why shouldn't Nadd have been able to destroy them when they had most likely lower numbers, worse equipment and he had more force knowledge / powers than Amanoa ?
If Nadd really wanted to destroy the Beast Riders and didn't manage to do this then because they avoided direct confrontation - so they possibly didn't attack Iziz during the time Nadd ruled the city. But then again you can't say that Nadd wasn't able to destroy them - just that he didn't get the chance. And please...given that his descendants didn't care much about them while fighting for power and given that Nadd himself didn't seem to encourage his descendants to destroy them until the point were he had no other argument left for getting Amanoa to keep studying Sith magic - why should we think that he really wanted to destroy them or tried his best to do so ?
And Sith spirits clearly have some ability given that they possess human form...Kun certainly didn't suck in his spirit form as he showed Gantoris and Corran Horn. And Ommin blasted Nomi and Ulic. Ulic charged right through it.
Kun willfully seperated his spirit from his mortal frame and he was quite above all other spirits we've encountered in the series so far given that it took the combined strength of Luke's students, Luke himself and Vodo to exterminate his spirit.
On Ossus? Once again, you'd have to tell me WHERE this confrontation took place on Ossus and what happened...Nadd was so horrified, he immediately fled. Seems sound there were no other Jedi around.
Where on Ossus ? Given the fact that Nadd failed some test before I'd say the fight happened either in the temple on Ossus or in the library. Both places basically filled with Jedi. And Nadd immediatly fled, yes. Still...do you really think that nobody did sense the death of a Jedi Master or sense the "Darkness" in Nadd and that he managed to simply escape from the place he just murdered a Jedi Master at, steal a ship and then escape from the planet ?
Nadd has one place of power on Onderon and even if the Beast Riders' strategy is 'hit and run', Nadd and his forces should be able to deal with it.
Again. Amanoa's forces were about to defeat the Beast Riders who had back-up from the Jedi before Arca arrived with his Battle Meditation. So why shouldn't Nadd have been able to do the same when his less powerful descendant can pull something like that off ?
The only Massassi who took down a Jedi that we saw was kilgrath, AKA The Night Beast, AKA alchemically altered by Exar personally. Moreover, can you prove Nadd didn't poison Sadow or that the Massassi were even around? Likely Nadd lashed out at him impulsively when Sadow refused to teach him further.
Where should the Massassi have been ? And sorry...Sadow was a Sith Lord. You really think he would have himself poisoned that easily (given that we've seen Ulic surviving some nice poisoning) or simply taken down by getting catched off-guard ?
The faith of an entire planet? Last I checked, Onderon was stuck in a civil war against the Naddists for four hundred years. Point made on the issue, though there are some attempts to beef up Nadd quite a bit.
Oh my...did Nadd not influence his descendants (Amanoa, Ommin) as well as Ulic, Kun, Aleema, Satal ? He pretty much still ruled Onderon 400 years after his death because of his influence.
The undisputable FACT that the explosion caused by his release of energy caused the explosion. It's in the comic's narraration.
Or, y'know, Kun didn't expect his saber to fly out of his hands and was an adept by this point. That's basic logic.
And the fact remains: There is zero proof there was a duel.
What do we notice? That when things go wrong, it's usually because it's beyond Vader's control. His successes sort of outweigh his failures a hundred to one...it's why he's the respect Executor of the Imperial fleet.
he put Ommin and Amanoa against eachother? No. Ommin disappeared to fully devote himself to studies and left Amanoa to the daily runnings of Onderon. Ommin wanted secrecy and privacy to study the Sith magics. And this is ONDERON, there are numerous beasts there already. If Nadd's power could not crush them, that implies he was certainly trying and there's nothing to the contrary. And last I checked, Amanoa's forces lost the attle...the main reason it was so bloody was because that was the first time the Beast Riders EVER forced a confrontation...Amanoa's sith powers didn't help her when the Kiras carried her daughter off from right in front of her face. So, it's a force bolstered by BM on a field against a numerically inferior foe on strategically inferior ground, no wonder the Beast Riders were losing at first. And according to Nadd, he was called back by Ommin...at what point? Could have even been after or during the Beast Lord attack? Even before it, Ommin was beyond caring about a rebellion...neither Ommin nor Nadd would've seen such a thing as consequential whatsoever. Moreover, according to Tales of the Jedi, Nadd wished to rule completely unchallenged
Considering Nadd sought out Matta, and this fight could've taken place in the wildnerness for all we know, by the time the Jedi managed to arrived to the scene, Nadd was likely in hyperspace.
Again: The Beast Riders were not using their usual tactics.
Last I checked, we've seen Sith Lords poisoned before. And where should the Masassi have been? Away, given that Sadow's training his apprentice without need for random servants around and Sadow's arrogant enough for that. And Ulic was meant to survive such poisoning...Sith poison isn't exactly your average killer poison. And a spur of the moment attack could easily take Sadow off guard...worked on Nadd himself. Palpatine, too.
By that logic, Jabba's ruled the Hutts for centuries thanks to influence and Palpatine's ruled most of the galaxy from influence, given his empire is a Sith ruled, top dog, military dictatorship over a century later...Hell, we could even say Xendor's ruling the dark side given his influence on the formation of the Sith.
Originally posted by LightsnakeMarka and Simus engaged in a dance of the blades, but Simus had to take a call and got his head lopped off. And so is the history of the Sith Empire.
Exar Kun's ballroom breakdancing is surpassed only by Marka Ragnos's disco skills.You think it was a sword duel that lost Simus his head? Poor Sith tried to keep up with that crazy spin...