Freedon Nadd runs the gauntlet

I guess that was fairly illogical or im just hanging onto older opinions and arguments, have you by any chance read the debates back in Jan to May this year?

Yeah, when DE Sidious wasn't rated too highly right?

I still don't get why people think Freedon Nadd is nothing. While details of his life are sketchy, the guy was able to travel anywhere as a ghost, and was able to inflict harm on human beings. When he talked to Kun he seemed very confident about what it is he was talking about. Maybe it's a personal opinion but I would put Nadd in the top 10 most powerful force users of all time.

I probably would too, however I don't rate him as high as Sidious.

maybe not as high but I would rate him a notch below Kun, and that's just a spirit. Who knows how powerful he was in full body.

He was not able to harm umans directly and Ommin was the single exception. If you cause an avalanche, that's not directly harming someone.

and going anywhere as a ghost isn't special. Nadd was a brat who never finished either of his training and ended life as a petty dictator unable to defeat a rebellion

Originally posted by Lightsnake
He was not able to harm umans directly and Ommin was the single exception. If you cause an avalanche, that's not directly harming someone.

and going anywhere as a ghost isn't special. Nadd was a brat who never finished either of his training and ended life as a petty dictator unable to defeat a rebellion

He force pushed Vodo...

And Vodo was able to defend himself how? Vodo was hurt whatsoever? They were both connected to Exar? Vodo's ever won a single fight?

Sorry? I didn't really get that.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
He was not able to harm umans directly and Ommin was the single exception. If you cause an avalanche, that's not directly harming someone.

and going anywhere as a ghost isn't special. Nadd was a brat who never finished either of his training and ended life as a petty dictator unable to defeat a rebellion

Yes, he wasn't able to harm humans directly. Oh wait, he force pushed Vodo, what was that? He caused an avalanche on Kun, AND most likely he killed the translator on the sith book of spells in the Freedon Nadd uprising, so despite your lack of logic and apparent dislike for Nadd, there is a strong possibly and quite logical that Nadd was very powerful.

Not to mention it makes no sense for Kun to keep his spirit living when he could have been a force ghost. As a result Nadd could travel anywhere anytime, while Kun was confined to the Massassi temple.

No, he threw his hatred at Vodo...with no lastin damage. Caused an avalanche on Kun? He caused indirect harm...meaning he did not attack Kun. And killed the translator? Man could easily be unconcious.

And Kun was confined to a temple, because, unlike Nadd, he bound his spirit TO the temple. And nope, no proof Nadd was stronger than an average master at all. He didn't complete his training and acted like an emo brat both times.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
No, he threw his hatred at Vodo...with no lastin damage. Caused an avalanche on Kun? He caused indirect harm...meaning he did not attack Kun. And killed the translator? Man could easily be unconcious.

And Kun was confined to a temple, because, unlike Nadd, he bound his spirit TO the temple. And nope, no proof Nadd was stronger than an average master at all. He didn't complete his training and acted like an emo brat both times.

Hey lets make ridiculous excuses to discredit the ancients! Lets see, you claim he couldn't cause harm to living beings. He force pushed Vodo, that's direct harm no MATTER whether Vodo was hurt, so your irrelevant misdirection doesn't work. And he DID trigger an avalanche, what's your point? He has absolutly NO reason to hurt Kun. And sure lightsnake, the man happened to go translate the book and just pass out. Or more realistically, Nadd either killed him or knocked him out, which disproves your theory of Nadd not being able to cause harm to the living..

He HIMSELF says he's powerless and Vodo is not harmed in the least. And no reason to hurt Kun? Besides getting him to the embrace of the Dark Side? And there's nothing saying what happened to the translator.

Nadd: Fear not, Jedi, I am powerless in my present state!

Nadd's word...or yours?

'No, he threw his hatred at Vodo...with no lastin damage.'

You take the narration to literally. He clearly force pushed Vodo. he didn't literally throw his hatred at him lol.

'He HIMSELF says he's powerless and Vodo is not harmed in the least.'

However he is clearly not powerless, so he was either lying (more likely) or simple wrong.

hy would he lie if he could beat Arca on tnhe spot?
"The power of Nadd's hatred", etc...the narraration or you, mmm...

Originally posted by Lightsnake
hy would he lie if he could beat Arca on tnhe spot?
"The power of Nadd's hatred", etc...the narraration or you, mmm...

Either way, that statement was clearly false (whether he was lying, wrong etc.) because he was clearly not powerless - even causing indirect damage shows that he was nor powerless, let alone directly harming a powerful jedi master.

If he wasn't, he'd have attacked Arca

If he was powerless, it would have been impossible for him to attack Vodo. Why are you arguing this point?

He threw his hatred at him. Pretty much said so in the narraration

NO lightsnake, Nadd had plans for Ulic, Kun, and the Krath, otherwise he'd go attacking every jedi that posed a threat. The fact remains that he force pushed Vodo, triggered an avalanche, and possibly killed the sith translator, so your excuses have no bearing on this.