Originally posted by Lightsnake
He HIMSELF says he's powerless and Vodo is not harmed in the least. And no reason to hurt Kun? Besides getting him to the embrace of the Dark Side? And there's nothing saying what happened to the translator.Nadd: Fear not, Jedi, I am powerless in my present state!
Nadd's word...or yours?
Nadd pulls Kun's saber aaway from him with the force. He clearly wasn't powrless.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
He was not able to harm umans directly and Ommin was the single exception. If you cause an avalanche, that's not directly harming someone.
Oh my...Lightsnake. Nadd caused an avalanche. Read this. Think about it. Then tell me again he was "powerless". He also instahealed Exar Kun using the Dark Side of the force (muhar !), pulled Exar's lightsaber out of Exar's hands and floored Vodo while being on the opposite side of the Galaxy.
Nadd was a brat who never finished either of his training and ended life as a petty dictator unable to defeat a rebellion
Oh please. Nadd as a mere Padawan slaughtered his own master which basically means that he was able to content with Jedi Masters at that point. Than he studied under Sadow and possibly killed him aside of posessing Adas holocron - the "most valueable artifact in terms of Sith knowledge"according to your own words. Then he went to Onderon and pretty much tooled the Beast Riders with his Sith magic. The guy was no pushover in terms of force powers and combat abilities.
Originally posted by Borbarad
Oh my...Lightsnake. Nadd caused an avalanche. Read this. Think about it. Then tell me again he was "powerless". He also instahealed Exar Kun using the Dark Side of the force (muhar !), pulled Exar's lightsaber out of Exar's hands and floored Vodo while being on the opposite side of the Galaxy.Oh please. Nadd as a mere Padawan slaughtered his own master which basically means that he was able to content with Jedi Masters at that point. Than he studied under Sadow and possibly killed him aside of posessing Adas holocron - the "most valueable artifact in terms of Sith knowledge"according to your own words. Then he went to Onderon and pretty much tooled the Beast Riders with his Sith magic. The guy was no pushover in terms of force powers and combat abilities.
Indeed.
No, Nadd pinched off a portion of energy, which exploded, which caused the avalanche. In other words: A chain reaction
Slaughtered his master? Read the TOTJ sourcebook. Matta left herself wide open to test him while unarmed and he failed the test. It wasn't a FIGHT at all. He got pissed, she saw it as a training opportuinity and dropped her saber, at which point he failed.
And 'tooled the beast riders' Um, no. Read the series again: Nadd was totally unable to stop the beast riders, hence them being an issue centuries later.
And aren't you the one who said Sadow was old and weakened, Nai?
Originally posted by Lightsnake
No, Nadd pinched off a portion of energy, which exploded, which caused the avalanche. In other words: A chain reactionSlaughtered his master? Read the TOTJ sourcebook. Matta left herself wide open to test him while unarmed and he failed the test. It wasn't a FIGHT at all. He got pissed, she saw it as a training opportuinity and dropped her saber, at which point he failed.
And 'tooled the beast riders' Um, no. Read the series again: Nadd was totally unable to stop the beast riders, hence them being an issue centuries later.And aren't you the one who said Sadow was old and weakened, Nai?
Wow lightsnake, your excuses have hit an alltime high. Lets make an example.
Fact: Nadd caused an Avalanche
Your excuse: Nadd pinched off a portion of energy, caused a chain reaction. Nevermind that the scans were clear.
Fact: Yes, he slaughtered his master out of anger of not becoming a Jedi Master or Knight or whatever, since he failed his test of anger.
Your excuse: oh well she had a death wish so she decided to let Nadd kill her.
And yes, Nadd did tool the beast riders and the beasts with his sith magic, which is why he became absolute ruler of Onderon. So your petty attempts to downplay Nadd don't work.
The scans SAY exactly what Nadd did, you're ignoring the narraration?
Fact: The TOTJ companion says that Nadd's master left herself wide open and Nadd failed his test.
Fact: Beast Riders did not EXIST before Nadd arrived.
Learn a bit more about Nadd, kay? Pick up TOTJ and the TOTJ Companion, because I've practically quoted them.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
The scans SAY exactly what Nadd did, you're ignoring the narraration?Fact: The TOTJ companion says that Nadd's master left herself wide open and Nadd failed his test.
Fact: Beast Riders did not EXIST before Nadd arrived.
Learn a bit more about Nadd, kay? Pick up TOTJ and the TOTJ Companion, because I've practically quoted them.
Beast Riders did not exist before Nadd? That's funny, yet it was in either DLOTS or Freedon Nadd uprising that explains the history of the beast riders, and they were there way before Nadd got there. This is fact. And as I recall since Nadd wasn't promoted to Jedi Knight, he became angry and killed his master.
Um, no: The beast riders of Onderon learned to tame the wild beasts after Nadd had them exiled from the city into the wilds. Then they started their rebellion, which Freedon was unable to defeat
And that's half of what really happened: Nadd assaulted Matta and she, deciding to test him, disarmed herself and left herself open. Nadd cut her down rather than pass the test.
Quote😖he refused to promote her Padawan to Knight, Nadd lashed out at her. Seeing the situation as a prime test for him, Matta deliberately gave him an opportunity to strike her down—a test which Nadd failed, killing his master, and marking his break from the Jedi Order
Originally posted by Lightsnake
No, they didn't. Those exiled by Nadd from Iziz became Beast Riders. And I quote: "Even Nadd's dark powers were unable to defeat them."
And that states that the beast riders were created at that point how? It just states that the exiles became beast riders. Beast Riders existed before Nadd.
And your quote has to do with what? Can you tell me how many beast riders there were? For all you know there was an entire army, and even Nadd isn't powerful enough to defeat an army. And again how is this quote relevant? Nadd was the ABSOLUTE RULER of Onderon. He was killed by god knows how many Jedi that went to Onderon to stop him. It is very clear that Nadd was very powerful, but how powerful compared to the likes of Kun, and Sidious, is unknown. But let me put it this way. If Kun became uber powerful by learning from Sadow's notes and teachings, how much more powerful was Nadd, who learned from Sadow himself?
No, they didn't. Those exiled learned how to tame the beasts and became beast riders and rebelled against Nadd.
Oh, and they were an army, that's kind of the point. And Nad's not powerful enough to defeat an army? When he has an army of his own, along with Dark Side followers? And Jedi went to Onderon to stop him? Prove up, NOW.
And oh, yeah...Nadd killed Sadow? Because Sadow refused to teach him the true secrets...emo brat much?
Originally posted by Lightsnake
No, they didn't. Those exiled learned how to tame the beasts and became beast riders and rebelled against Nadd.Oh, and they were an army, that's kind of the point. And Nad's not powerful enough to defeat an army? When he has an army of his own, along with Dark Side followers? And Jedi went to Onderon to stop him? Prove up, NOW.
And oh, yeah...Nadd killed Sadow? Because Sadow refused to teach him the true secrets...emo brat much?
No, it is speculation that Nadd killed Sadow, and it is also speculation about what Sadow taught him and what he didn't. But he learned from a living Sadow.
"Once the Jedi Knights learned of the atrocities taking place on Onderon, they soon dispatched an army to defeat Freedon Nadd."
Gee, an entire Jedi army to defeat Nadd? Yea he must have been an emo brat.. Right.