Originally posted by Syren
I'm well aware of that fact and subsequently appreciative of Raz's efforts. I know that a lot of people who spend most, or all, of their time in the OTF are blissfully unaware that the OTF could be deleted at any moment with good reason, but again this thread is about treating new members with a little less hostility and portraying KMC in a better light and so forth. We're not discussing the future of the OTF, or how social KMC is or isn't, so quit it 😛
That's precisely what we're discussing.
Originally posted by Syren
Ok, fine. Yes, we have very different emotional dispositions, but do you have to take digs?? cryKidding... I'll take your word for it. You're probably an exception, I'm quite willing to believe that.
There we go, then.
Originally posted by Syren
When I refer to 'the forum', are you aware that I mean KMC as a whole and NOT just the OTF? Because I think we've crossed wires here somewhere. I would like to feel proud of KMC in respect of the way we conduct ourselves when new members join. I would like the forum as an entirety to be a more comfortable place for newcomers to post, no matter which board they spend the most time in.
I'm entirely aware you mean the entire forum, yes.
Originally posted by Syren
And yes, if that were ever to happen I'd nominate the GDF. But again, that's not the issue here.
If we're discussing being proud of the OTF, then yes it is. Which was my hypothetical point, but we're not, so I agree.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Wow, you ARE psychic, and your name begins with X, so from now on you're known as Prof.Considering I am the one who most notably uses said remarks in the GDF before I even came to the OTF, I'd suggest research on your part.
-AC
More hypocrisy, Didnt you just say that OTF style debating had nothing to do with where it was used, but more with the style of the argument?
And yet here you claim, that because you used similarly weak, and childich tactics in a different forum, that they dont count as OTF style, whereas Syren's less pointless, more intelligent post did?
Blatant hypocrisy.
Originally posted by Xirius
More hypocrisy, Didnt you just say that OTF style debating had nothing to do with where it was used, but more with the style of the argument?And yet here you claim, that because you used similarly weak, and childich tactics in a different forum, that they dont count as OTF style, whereas Syren's less pointless, more intelligent post did?
Blatant hypocrisy.
Weak, in your case, is a biased point of view, first off.
OTF style of debate isn't necessarily a tactic used with the intent of showing someone up or proving a point with that as a conduit, it's a way of conducting yourself, which she then used.
It's nice to also see that you've gone back on yourself, because regardless of what you believe, Syren and I are discussing something thet is able to be discussed, far from being pointless. You have been reduced to someone struggling for any kind of point to win, be it on topic to the thread or not, and still getting it wrong.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Xirius is the psychic one, not me, maybe he's the one making you imagine things.-AC
Now come on, thats clearly some more "OTF style" posting. Just because I actually try to understand what people post instead of assuming them to be sub-par arguments, as you seem to, you begin this, frankly pathetic taunting. I wouldn't mind these except you clearly see yourself as above this thread, and yet post mindless crap that most people here would never stoop to.
If Kings of Kings was "Out" after this third strike, then you should be too.
Originally posted by TheKingofKINGS!
Wow. You fit in the OTF so well. Right in there with all the other ignorant anti-socials, right Fire? 😐
I believe me and Syren are discussing something, so if your rabid swings and misses were all you'll attempt to add, I suggest you leave us to it, because you're not being anti-social by breaking up a perfectly pleasant discussion in favour of getting attention.
Like Xirius.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
That's precisely what we're discussing.
The popularity and point of the OTF vs the popularity and point of the GDF? Not last time I checked.
I'm entirely aware you mean the entire forum, yes.
Then why do you constantly refer to the OTF to back up your point? Because I posted the thread here? I was talking about KMC as a whole and posted it here because this forum is usually the most lively. No other reason. GDFers have posted here since I've made this thread, so I've got responses from all across the board.
Originally posted by Xirius
Now come on, thats clearly some more "OTF style" posting. Just because I actually try to understand what people post instead of assuming them to be sub-par arguments, as you seem to, you begin this, frankly pathetic taunting. I wouldn't mind these except you clearly see yourself as above this thread, and yet post mindless crap that most people here would never stoop to.If Kings of Kings was "Out" after this third strike, then you should be too.
The irony is, I said Syren was resorting to it in a post that doesn't require it, I never said that I was incapable of posting smarmy, sarcastic remarks, which was the sole intent of that post.
Try getting something right, just once at least, or leave Syren and I to discuss our issue.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
The irony is, I said Syren was resorting to it in a post that doesn't require it, I never said that I was incapable of posting smarmy, sarcastic remarks, which was the sole intent of that post.Try getting something right, just once at least, or leave Syren and I to discuss our issue.
-AC
✅
Smarmy and sarcastic, just the way I'd bottle you... also, I'm loving all this 'Syren and I' reference; it's nice.
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriHow quick you are to jump to conclusions....
I believe me and Syren are discussing something, so if your rabid swings and misses were all you'll attempt to add, I suggest you leave us to it, because you're not being anti-social by breaking up a perfectly pleasant discussion in favour of getting attention.Like Xirius.
-AC
These "rabid swings" I'm taking is my way of rehashing yours towards Xirius and myself. I'd join in throughly on this "pleasent" conversation, but I woke up an hour ago and I'm still pretty tired.
Originally posted by Syren
The popularity and point of the OTF vs the popularity and point of the GDF? Not last time I checked.
We're discussing why this particular part of the forum is anything to be proud of, which you said is something you'd like to achieve. I've given reason why it isn't something to be proud of.
Originally posted by Syren
Then why do you constantly refer to the OTF to back up your point? Because I posted the thread here? I was talking about KMC as a whole and posted it here because this forum is usually the most lively. No other reason. GDFers have posted here since I've made this thread, so I've got responses from all across the board.
First and foremost, the OTFers will defend the OTF regardless of what it is, so you are likely to get biased replies in here.
Secondly, I know you are referring to KMC as a whole, but you also referred to the OTF. My main point conjoining the two is: I personally don't grasp why you make effort to be proud of an internet forum. That, however, is purely opinion and you can naturally do as you wish.
-AC
Originally posted by TheKingofKINGS!
These "rabid swings" I'm taking is my way of rehashing yours towards Xirius and myself. I'd join in throughly on this "pleasent" conversation, but I woke up an hour ago and I'm still pretty tired.
The difference is, my swings end up with the ball landing outside the "park" with a significant, cartoon-style thumb.
Yours end with a significant "Whoosh" sound, due to missing, as I proved when I dissected your claims.
Anything else?
-AC
Originally posted by SyrenI didn't read all that. 😐
Ok, I've been thinking about this for some time now, since I wrote the KMC article on Wiki anyway. Basically I've noticed that although new members are always welcomed positively in the Welcome Forum it seems that as soon as they venture anywhere else on KMC they're generally ostracised within a very short space of time.I know I, and a few others, have tried to keep the positive welcomes consistent but there are a lot of members who have been here for a while who constantly try to intimidate newer members, as though it's some kind of competition and something to be proud of. This makes absolutely no sense to me, especially when you consider how many times I've seen people questioning KMC's overall atmosphere and wondering why it's spiralling downwards.
I think that we should ALL make every effort to make new members feel 100% welcome here, there's no reason to make them uncomfortable and if we were truly proud of the forum and our membership here then we'd all be doing this automatically. I say from now on, unless we're provided with obvious and valid reasons not to, we should all try to prove that KMC really is the best community on the net.
Who's with me? eyes
but welcoming n00bs in to the community is cool I guess.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Weak, in your case, is a biased point of view, first off.OTF style of debate isn't necessarily a tactic used with the intent of showing someone up or proving a point with that as a conduit, it's a way of conducting yourself, which she then used.
Yeah, thats actually the point of view I meant it from. You used childish and pointless taunts, most of which are below the actualy standards of people in the OTF. Hence, you are a hypocrite for accusing Syren of it, whe the post she used was composed of more intelligence and logic than what you said.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It's nice to also see that you've gone back on yourself, because regardless of what you believe, Syren and I are discussing something thet is able to be discussed, far from being pointless. You have been reduced to someone struggling for any kind of point to win, be it on topic to the thread or not, and still getting it wrong.-AC
Im not saying the conversation is pointless, Im saying that your childess taunts. Im not struggling to win, I was just pointing out what I saw this thread to actually be about. The more I did this, the more you replied with senseless crap. Im still getting it wrong? You're the one who's still using the whole "The opening post was unclear" line, even though Syren has repeatedly noted this, its irrelevant to bring it up anymore, its been established that you found it unclear.
The more you go on, the more you reduce your argument to that of "OTF" standard, which is actually kind of funny.