Mace Windu and Yoda vs. Darth Sidious and Darth Tyrannus

I'll admit that I haven't read this thread but this post made me want to comment. Escape I know you can say that Sidious was out of practice but the bottom line is, he underestimated Windu and Windu is the superior of the two in saber combat, however Sidious>Windu in force abilities is a given.

Perhaps you should read carefully. Then, read this thread. And then read where I have said before, time again, that Mace was superior to Sidious in lightsaber combat. Recall where I said before that Sidious hadn't touched his saber in thirteen years.

Once again, DS, do not assume. You know what it makes out of you and me.

And no, I don't know where you are getting your information from, but according to Lucas, Sidious started faking after his initial lightning attempt failed. I guess you can say Windu barely blocked it but he blocked or rather deflected it, so no need to think that Sidious had this all planned out, because it is clearly stated that Windu overpowered him. You cannot sit there and say Sidious had it all planned out because he did NOT know which way Anakin was going to turn.

Did I say that he planned it all out? When you show me where I did, we'll continue.

You did say that he faked being weak, and weren't specific. I've heard the Sidious fanboy rumors before about Sidious planning the entire thing out.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
You did say that he faked being weak, and weren't specific. I've heard the Sidious fanboy rumors before about Sidious planning the entire thing out.

a. Lucas specifically stated that Palpatine was pretending to be weak.

b. If I were a Sidious fanboy, then you'd never see the words "Sidious would die" or "Sidious would get pwnt" pass from me. And, yet they do. Be careful before you label or imply that I am one.

c. There is a case to be made that Sidious could have planned it all (i.e: Palpatine allowing Anakin to tell the Jedi and not caring; Palpatine's voice-over in the Council chambers to Anakin; the impeccable timing of Palpatine's disarming; Palpatine being a master manipulator who toyed with Yoda and Mace for a decade, so it would certainly be in his capability). And, if one wanted to argue semantics, the definition of overpowered, being that, if Palpatine were holding back, he was still - by literary definition - overpowered.

However, it is also just as logical to believe that Palpatine, who hadn't touched his lightsaber in thirteen years, was simply - in the end - defeated due to Mace's shatterpoint ability and his own arrogance.

Also, DS, the official novelization said that it was the shatterpoint that gave Mace his victory over Palpatine. Not superior saber skills.

ok, so at BEST Sidious is equal to Windu in saber combat.. At BEST.. And it was ALSO stated that he pretended being weak after his initial force lightning attempt failed.

Well i think mace and yoda would be able to take this since when yoda and dooku fought yoda would have beat him if not for dooku using the distraction on havin the pillar fall on him. I also believe mace could hold off palpitine until yoda gets to them and then togather they would be able to take palpitine.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
ok, so at BEST Sidious is equal to Windu in saber combat.. At BEST.. And it was ALSO stated that he pretended being weak after his initial force lightning attempt failed.

Dude, I never said that Lucas confirmed that Palpatine was faking the entire duel. I simply said that Generic Hero made it seem as if the part where Palpatine failed his Force assault on Mace actually counted for something, given that Palpatine was in an inferior position, and that Mace was unable to last any longer according to the novelization - but Palpatine had energy left.

As for the saber skills, my point on Palpatine is this. This man was the Supreme Chancellor of the Galactic Republic. The essential uber politician. The one with the most press, the most scrutiny. He hasn't practiced in lightsaber dueling for thirteen years. Maul gave testimony to how skilled Palpatine was, during Maul's training. My point is that Palpatine is an incredibly gifted duelist to be able to do what he did, when he was thirteen years out of practice, against opponents who had been training for longer and who had actually seen frontline action.

I wouldn't doubt that he'd be the best duelist in the PT, had he been in practice.

So, yes, I'm sure he could take Mace in an all out fight. The only thing that would prove particularly hazardous for Palpatine is Mace's shatterpoint ability.

Yeah, Sidious probably managed to keep up with his force powers and studying at night (instead of sleeping), but, I doubt that he really did much if anything with his saber.

I don't know, you can't quantify his power with those 13 years. You don't know how much better he would have been. I wouldn't put him above Yoda in saber combat at all regardless of those 13 years, and not until DE.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
I don't know, you can't quantify his power with those 13 years. You don't know how much better he would have been. I wouldn't put him above Yoda in saber combat at all regardless of those 13 years, and not until DE.

Given Maul's descriptions of Sidious's skill, and the fact that he put them both to the test despite being thirteen years out of practice, I would say that it is highly possible that Sidious could have been the best. But that's neither here nor there.

And, once again, I fail to see how your opinion matters, due to the fact that you weren't even aware of his skills before RotS. And, I am not trying to be rude, but - quite frankly - what would you know?