Is Evil Independent of God?

Is it ?

If God is the creator of everything that exists, this Universe, and all its concepts, than he surely must have created Evil.

Evil cannot exist without his providing it, or atleast planting the seed for it. He created Lucifer, did he not? Surely he must have known what Lucifer had planned, and how many people were going to Hell....so what was the point to all of it then? Why allow that?

You Christians, Jews, and Muslims have always said nothing exists without God, that everything is dependent on God, so give me ANOTHER contradictory argument, and tell me how Evil exists without God.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Is it ?

If God is the creator of everything that exists, this Universe, and all its concepts, than he surely must have created Evil.

Evil cannot exist without his providing it, or atleast planting the seed for it. He created Lucifer, did he not? Surely he must have known what Lucifer had planned, and how many people were going to Hell....so what was the point to all of it then? Why allow that?

You Christians, Jews, and Muslims have always said nothing exists without God, that everything is dependent on God, so give me ANOTHER contradictory argument, and tell me how Evil exists without God.

Well here's a way to look at it. We'll assume God created Lucifer because God created everything. Or something.

Anyway, so God creates Lucifer, but he also "gives" him free will. So, the power to choose was what ultimately lead to Lucifer's downfall; he chose to go against God. So, did that unknowingly cause evil?

Or do we need to go back further than that? To say that God actually created evil in order to give Lucifer a choice, as some sort of test of Lucifer's loyaly? That seems awfully silly of him...

Why do I feel like I'm in the Matrix?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Is it ?

If God is the creator of everything that exists, this Universe, and all its concepts, than he surely must have created Evil.

Evil cannot exist without his providing it, or atleast planting the seed for it. He created Lucifer, did he not? Surely he must have known what Lucifer had planned, and how many people were going to Hell....so what was the point to all of it then? Why allow that?

You Christians, Jews, and Muslims have always said nothing exists without God, that everything is dependent on God, so give me ANOTHER contradictory argument, and tell me how Evil exists without God.

Lucifer wasn't created to sin like man but he choose to sin. God gave him freedom to choose like he did with all man. Lucifer sinned against God and so God cast him out of heaven.

What is the point for him creating Evil?

Lucifer was supposedly created by an omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent God to be good, yet it turned evil and has used its powers to fight God' s plans. It doesn' t make any sense.

For being able to exercise free will and to choose, choices must be available first. One can' t choose for evil when it has not been brought into existence.

As far as I know the story...

Lucifer was one of God's most powerful angels. However, his own desire to be God-like and his own narcissm (sp?) drove him to revolt agaisn't God. Which is the worst choice any Angel can make. In this case envy and desire drove Lucifer to be evil. He made his choice...and paid the price.

Maybe Lucifer was the smart one.

Storms right it doesn't make any sense.

If you just ignore that and say it makes sense, Lucifer seem slike the intelligent one.

I sometimes find this a puzzling question. But, I think that creating Satan and knowing he would go evil increases our extent of free will. It causes us to rely more on faith because Satan can confuse us. Only with Satan in the picture can we truly pick God over the world.

Yes...thats the point.

"Only with Satan in the picture can we truly pick God over the world."

Thats why he was made up.

Originally posted by MyOwnMuse
Well here's a way to look at it. We'll assume God created Lucifer because God created everything. Or something.

Anyway, so God creates Lucifer, but he also "gives" him free will. So, the power to choose was what ultimately lead to Lucifer's downfall; he chose to go against God. So, did that unknowingly cause evil?

Or do we need to go back further than that? To say that God actually created evil in order to give Lucifer a choice, as some sort of test of Lucifer's loyaly? That seems awfully silly of him...

Why do I feel like I'm in the Matrix?

...I didn't think angels had free will

that's why he made humans...am I right?

I think thats how some religions interpreted it.

Originally posted by Morgoths_Wrath
...I didn't think angels had free will

that's why he made humans...am I right?

Angels do have free will for many angels followed Satan and choose not to follow God.

No. Thats using secondary logic. Primary sources would do well.

Originally posted by Nellinator
I sometimes find this a puzzling question. But, I think that creating Satan and knowing he would go evil increases our extent of free will. It causes us to rely more on faith because Satan can confuse us. Only with Satan in the picture can we truly pick God over the world.

Originally posted by Nellinator
I sometimes find this a puzzling question. But, I think that creating Satan and knowing he would go evil increases our extent of free will. It causes us to rely more on faith because Satan can confuse us. Only with Satan in the picture can we truly pick God over the world.

Maybe God is just in a constant state of confusion.

Originally posted by Alliance
Maybe God is just in a constant state of confusion.

I know I would be (if I were God)

does that mena that we were NOT made in his image?

Originally posted by Alliance
Maybe God is just in a constant state of confusion.