Is Evil Independent of God?

Indeedy.

Perhaps good and evil, indeed opposites of all kinds, are just innate features of the universe - like the laws of physics. God would exist from the beginning, create all things spiritual and physical, yet He would be working within the framework of the way the Universe worked. Good/Evil, the laws of physics, etc. would already be there. God didn't have to create them, they just are.

Originally posted by Alliance
Maybe God is just in a constant state of confusion.

Or maybe God wants to test the loyalty of his creations?

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Or maybe God wants to test the loyalty of his creations?

Or perhaps he is testing the actions his creations will take given the minimal use of overt influence.

Or maybe its all just a big hoax that people have taken too far.

Originally posted by Regret
Or perhaps he is testing the actions his creations will take given the minimal use of overt influence.

That's a good one too.

Originally posted by Regret
Or perhaps he is testing the actions his creations will take given the minimal use of overt influence.

Or it could just be that he loves them, and wants his creations to freely love him back.

Perhaps. Any other completely unfounded ideas?

Originally posted by Alliance
Perhaps. Any other completely unfounded ideas?

Ummm, God doesn't exist?

That wasn't one of them 🙂

American Heritage Dictionary
un·found·ed
ADJECTIVE:

1 Not based on fact or sound evidence; groundless. Synonym: baseless.
2 Not yet established.

I would say the statement "God doesn't exist" fits the definition. Unless there is fact or sound evidence against God's existence, the statement is unfounded.

Cant you sense my sarcasm?

Originally posted by Regret
I would say the statement "God doesn't exist" fits the definition. Unless there is fact or sound evidence against God's existence, the statement is unfounded.

Originally posted by Alliance
Cant you sense my sarcasm?

Yes 😉 I just was having fun in the banter.

Originally posted by Alliance
I think there is evidence.

Here is a decent on-line article. It isn't really entirely on this subject, but I thought you might like it.

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/theodore_drange/anbvslea.html

All the same a list of evidences against would be nice.

Is Evil Independent of God?

Nothing is Independent of God. If something was, then there would be something greater then God.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Is Evil Independent of God?

Nothing is Independent of God. If something was, then there would be something greater then God.

Not if without God the whole is not greater. If something is independent of God it only means that the whole is greater. But if the whole of the independent from God is not greater than God, there is nothing greater than God, because without God those things that are independent are not greater, only God makes the whole greater.

Originally posted by Regret
Not if without God the whole is not greater. If something is independent of God it only means that the whole is greater. But if the whole of the independent from God is not greater than God, there is nothing greater than God, because without God those things that are independent are not greater, only God makes the whole greater.

Yes, but God + anything would = everything and everything would be greater then God alone.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Yes, but God + anything would = everything and everything would be greater then God alone.

Agreed, but God can't sit on both sides

Everything and God [>] God

Everything not God [is less than] God

Everything + God = God - God
Everything + God = Undefined
Comparison is not possible.

or

Everything + God = God - God
Everything + God = Nothing
Everything > Nothing

Originally posted by Regret
Agreed, but God can't sit on both sides

Everything and God [>] God

Everything not God [is less than] God

Everything + God = God - God
Everything + God = Undefined
Comparison is not possible.

or

Everything + God = God - God
Everything + God = Nothing
Everything > Nothing

You cannot say "God can't". 🙄

God = Everything. Simple is always better.

Originally posted by docb77
Perhaps good and evil, indeed opposites of all kinds, are just innate features of the universe - like the laws of physics. God would exist from the beginning, create all things spiritual and physical, yet He would be working within the framework of the way the Universe worked. Good/Evil, the laws of physics, etc. would already be there. God didn't have to create them, they just are.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You cannot say "God can't". 🙄

God = Everything. Simple is always better.

It is man that makes such an assumption.

My belief states that God abides by all the laws he gives man. In mathematics it would not work with monotheistic belief to have two Gods.

everything + God > God
everything [is less than] God + God
everything [is less than] 2*God

So God cannot sit on both sides without two Gods existing.

Also, if God does exist. He is separate, otherwise worship is unnecessary due to the fact that I am God in that scenario. If I am God, existence and goals are unnecessary, morals and values are unnecessary. Also, it makes God self destructive in that man kills man, if God is self destructive and capable of everything he will destroy himself. If he can destroy himself then he is not greater than all things, because something is required as the tool of such destruction.