Semptember the 11th

Started by Emperor Ashtar98 pages
Originally posted by lord xyz
People who say things like "the governments official story is so unplausable, it's ridiculous." don't know the official story. Do you really think these masterminds would come up with a story so ridiculous, minimum waged nobodies could debunk the story in a second?

Masterminds, who the hell said they were masterminds?
And, the official story doesn't cover this particular topic what so ever.
XYZ, why do you even call yourself a researcher when your so Die-Hard to support the Official Story despite the fact It doesn't even explain the anomolies in 911.Case and point, this topic.

Originally posted by Evil Dead
so are you suggesting someone nuked it? where's the radiation?.......'cause a standard demolition charge would release no more energy than that of the tons upon tons of concrete falling to earth.

I responded to this question, when I posted my mini nuke theory on the september 11th thread.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Masterminds, who the hell said they were masterminds?
And, the official story doesn't cover this particular topic what so ever.
XYZ, why do you even call yourself a researcher when your so Die-Hard to support the Official Story despite the fact [B]It doesn't even explain the anomolies in 911
.Case and point, this topic.

I responded to this question, when I posted my mini nuke theory on the september 11th thread. [/B]

I'm not so Die-hard supporting the official story, but so far it's the most plausible.

Originally posted by lord xyz
I'm not so Die-hard supporting the official story, but so far it's the most plausible.

Yeah, you are XYZ, you can deny it, but you are. For instance, if I mention squibs during the collapse of WTC you respond by asking why were the squibs random?

The squibs being random does not refute the fact that they were there, hell even if I say "I dunno" to that answer, the squib phenomenon would still be there.

Observations Suggesting the Use of Small Hydrogen Bombs
1) The concrete pulverized into fine dust, 70…300 micron particles (just this could take more energy than the total gravitational energy available). See Gehue plates 6 and 7

2) Very energetic – hot – dust after the explosions. (Demolition charges would produce white clouds of dust, which would not move much, and a gravity-driven collapse would produce much less and more coarse dust.)

3) Brown shades of color seen in the air – these are produced by nuclear reactions of a thermonuclear device. The reactions use (gamma radiation caused by free neutrons, N2, O2, H2O > nitrid acid, NO2, NO3). These clouds soon get their usual white color after some minutes as the heat and fast movement of the clouds cease becoming ordinary clouds with some water.

Note: many of the pictures taken regarding the WTC Towers and the clouds seem to have been developed too blue, killing shades of brown. (This may have been an attempt to suppress the evidence.) Also there was supposed to be 200 000+ gallons of water on the roof of each tower – this water was spilled into stairwells etc, but was later all converted into water vapour reducing the brown color.

4) Superheated steel objects, disintegrating into steel vapour. Molten ponds of steel were found in the elevator shafts. There were lots of burned cars in the parking areas of the towers. The fire department did not announce until 12/19/2001 that the fires under the WTC rubble have been distinguished (more than 3 months after the incident). For more, see (Gehue plate 8)

location F C name
A 1341 727 WTC7
B 1034 557 WTC7
C 1161 627 WTC1
D 963 517 WTC1
E 819 437 WTC3
F 801 427 WTC2
G 1377 747 WTC2
H 1017 547 WTC4

The thermal survey of the WTC 9/16/2001 (NASA /US Geological Survey). Despite of fire department having cooled the rubble, aluminium would still be melting in some sites 5 days after the incident.

5) Elevated values of tritium in this area, but not elsewhere in New York. The University of California found elevated values on 9/13/2001 and 9/21/2001 within bounds of the WTC. They found them harmless for health. In pure hydrogen bomb isotopes of hydrogen are fused (D + T > n + a + 17.6 MeV).

6) An EMP-type phenomenon blacked out cellular phones at the moment when the first (southern) tower started to 'fall down', at the exact moment when a small thermonuclear bomb was detonated. Even in electronic cameras and videos a strange afterglow was seen in the late phase of the 'collapse' of both of the towers. See Gehue plate 5

7) A wave of pressure was witnessed in the root of the tower at the moment when the so-called collapse was progressing just about two hundred meters and nothing had fallen down to earth. The blast wave turned over for example a photographer and a fireman close to the entrance, who was taking photos of the dust cloud. The burst of the dust cloud on the root of the tower was photographed as well. In the image at the left below is what probably was the explosion of WTC 6. The Customs building was deliberately exploded for some reason - it was not damaged because of the falling girders as they had not yet reached the roof of WTC 7 when the photo was taken. A couple of seconds later the clouds of the explosion were already partly above the roof of WTC 7, which was too energetical to be caused by usual blasting agents. This suggests it was the second hydrogen bomb in the WTC block. The first hydrogen bomb is discharging upwards (pulverized concrete) exactly in the picture, and the steel structures vaporized by the bomb are already falling down 100 meters (approx. 328 ft.) farther down. The mass of cloud, caused by vaporized steel, is seen in the center of the picture and even more clearly in the picture at the right.

8) In the cellar, out of all the 47 ultra strong steel pillars, the steel was melted completely at the length of more than 20 meters (approx. 65 ft). Even cars were melted and burned in the cellar. The pillars were far too thick for thermite, which some have suggested. An explosion of a thermonuclear bomb explains the phenomenon well.

9) Steel columns and pillars were ejected in the surroundings of the building. In the beginning of the so-called collapse, exists no such energy exists that could throw steel pillars outwards from 60 to 175 meters (approx. from 170 to 574 ft.) from trunk. Not even cutting charges can do that. Instead, the blast wave from a nuclear bomb is capable to do that.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Yeah, you are XYZ, you can deny it, but you are. For instance, if I mention squibs during the collapse of WTC you respond by asking why were the squibs random?

The squibs being random does not refute the fact that they were there, hell [B]even if I say "I dunno" to that answer, the squib phenomenon would still be there. [/B]

They aren't squibs, they're rushing air.

Originally posted by lord xyz
They aren't squibs, they're rushing air.

Rushing air that launches Steel Girders 100 feet away?

The buildings were not air tight as they collapsed.So, there was no compressed air. Obviously, there was even much solid matter from within the buildings being ejected. No reason for the air to not have likewise escaped. The floors were being opened up to the atmosphere one by one.

-There were expulsions coming from floors which did not have HVAC terminals (from floors that weren't mech floors).

-There were expulsions very early in the collapses, so we are apparently to believe that the pancaking of a few floors would cause violent explosions of solid debris.

-The fact that there is solid debris being blasted out of the buildings, well ahead of the collapse wave.

-The expulsions contain dust particles of the same consistency of the concrete dust and etc. that "snowed" down over Manhattan and coated the streets. This couldn't have travelled down the building ahead of collapse like that, and came out of a non-mech floor.

-All other air shafts were in the core, necessitating air fly across the floors in a jet without decompressing, before blowing solid debris forcefully off of the sides of the buildings.

Try to think those over before suggesting they were just air.

Ashtar its bad enough that Deano has to go and create all these multiple threads about 9-11,do you have to follow his footsteps?ahhhhhh.why cant you guys put all your posts on the 9-11 thread.geez.

Originally posted by Black Dalek
Shes not afraid of the truth. You are. You cannot accept the fact that the Death Star indeed destroyed WTC. Nor you cannot accept the fact SpiderMan films kicked ass in both critic reviews and box office. Silly liberal. Why don'tcha get raped by the godless killing machines known as 'Bears' hmmm? You have not shown proof of any of your arguments while I have. Don't believe me? Here

Doesn't it finally make sense? Only an idiot would have not believe this. Which in this case..is you.

I love you 😆

well there are such things as Hydrogen Bombs, radiation free with the force of an atomic bomb

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Much more plausable than jet fuel pulverizing concrete and leaving pools of molten steel. 🙂

EDIT:The bottom line is this...

-The gravitational energy, of a single tower collapsing, would be around 400,000 KWH.

-To achieve particle sizes of 60 microns, energies of at least 900,000 KWH are required.

-That's more than both towers put together.

-To achieve 30 microns, energies of somewhere between 1,500,000 KWH and 1,800,000 KWH are required.

-The energy of both towers collapsing is around 800,000 KWH.

-That 1,000,000 KWH unaccounted for, at least

Picture of particles from 911.

The majority of particles of concrete were 3 microns...that's from the EPA.

Yeah his explanation that it was the death star is a MUCH more plausible theory than the fairy tale version of the governments. 😄

Originally posted by Kram3r
Pfft "9/11". Where I come from it's 11/9 thank you very much. That's a conspiracy right there. Why have to different ways to mark dates? Australia it's Day/Month/Year (which makes sense, it's in ascending order) and the US it's Month/Day/Year (which has no order to it).

I like your banner.

😄

Originally posted by Nevermind
Pfft "9/11". Where I come from it's 11/9 thank you very much. That's a conspiracy right there. Why have to different ways to mark dates? Australia it's Day/Month/Year (which makes sense, it's in ascending order) and the US it's Month/Day/Year (which has no order to it).
It's that order in the UK aswell. Ascending order makes sense to what might be "order of smallest number limit to largest number limit" or just plain no order. I have seen an order on the internet as Year/Month/Day though.

9/11 Conspiracy Interview

Can someone please do me a huge favor? I need to have an interview done by tommorrow for my English report on 9/11 conspircy theorists and I'm a lazy piece of crap so I didn't bother actually doing it.... so can anyone answer these questions (without any bashing or "you're all ignorant sheep" type of comments) Thank you in advance.

1) What was the first thing that made you suspicious of the governments involvement in 9/11? How did you officially become a conspiracy theorist?

2) Do you have any evidence that proves that the planes did not cause the towers to collapse? If not then what are you basing your theories off of?

3) If this entire event was infact a conspiracy then what do you think it will lead to in the future?

4) Describe any other evidence that could relate 9/11 to the government.

5) What should US citizens be most concerned about? Why is it that so much of the population never even considers any of this to be true?

I would explain but just read through the threads. You asked too many questions at once LOL

Re: 9/11 Conspiracy Interview

Originally posted by Spartan005
Can someone please do me a huge favor? I need to have an interview done by tommorrow for my English report on 9/11 conspircy theorists and I'm a lazy piece of crap so I didn't bother actually doing it.... so can anyone answer these questions (without any bashing or "you're all ignorant sheep" type of comments) Thank you in advance.

1) What was the first thing that made you suspicious of the governments involvement in 9/11? How did you officially become a conspiracy theorist?

2) Do you have any evidence that proves that the planes did not cause the towers to collapse? If not then what are you basing your theories off of?

3) If this entire event was infact a conspiracy then what do you think it will lead to in the future?

4) Describe any other evidence that could relate 9/11 to the government.

5) What should US citizens be most concerned about? Why is it that so much of the population never even considers any of this to be true?

1. I heard some stories and thought that it was possible that they plotted the attacks. I then did some research, and the way I see it, these attacks wouldn't have happened if the government did their job. So why didn't they do their jobs?

2. This question is pretty much generalising conspiracy theorists. I don't have any evidence that the planes didn't cause the towers to collapse, nor do I disagree with the idea. However, there were explosions in the basement and lower levels that could've helped the tower's collapsed, whether they were planted is debatable.

3. A series of wars in the middle east, and possibly a new watergate.

4. The Bush family being close to the Bin Laden family. Henry Kissinger, the one first selected to investigate 9/11, got a huge sum of money. When this was noticed by the public, he was removed. The fact that this isn't the first time the government has attacked its own citizens and got away with it. Bush stealing two elections, despite his unpopularity, failure and stupidity. Why is he being forced into power? I may add a few more later on.

5. Any of what? Most Americans believe there is a conspiracy behind the attack. They don't believe the WTC was brought down by explosives because that is retarded. Just because some conspiracy theories are wrong doesn't mean they all are.

Watch the 9/11 South Park Conspricy Episode, LOL.I would do it for you but CBA.

EDIT-Didnt realise it was meant to be in ages ago soory for SPAM.

Matt~

Originally posted by Grim Matt
Watch the 9/11 South Park Conspricy Episode, LOL.I would do it for you but CBA.

EDIT-Didnt realise it was meant to be in ages ago soory for SPAM.

Matt~

Lol I heard alot about that episode 😆

By the way thanks XYZ for the interview

Originally posted by Spartan005
Lol I heard alot about that episode 😆

By the way thanks XYZ for the interview

Anytime. Better you get a sensible answer before you hear "It's the truth you ignorant sheep." and a flame war starts.

A new video that explain the event's before 9-11-01

I just found this video about the event's that happened before 9-11.This is one of the better film's I've seen about 911 considering it stay away from all the "explosives and missile theories" which I don't believe in. What I do believe is that certain people had foreknowledge of this attack.

This documentary is more about how certain officials did everything in there power to make sure that the terrorists were not caught so they could go through with there plan.So the Government could follow through with there war agenda.

This is a very well done film ,definatelly my favorite.The last 10 minutes will make you want to punch your monitor though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wqe-9uJtfNI&eurl=

this was a government planned operation that started years ago.Daddy Bush on sept 11th 1991 made one of his famous-we need a new world order speechs.coincidence that it just happened on sept 11th 1991 of all times? get real.stop being afraid of the truth people,this was a planned government opeartion that started years ago.