Hercules vs. Wolverine

So... Hulk was holding back because the collateral damage to the surrounding environment wasn't substantial? Christ that is stupid. Thor fought Mangog on top of a freaking ice flow with out causing it to shatter. But I guess they were holding back right? Beta Ray Bill has got into slugfests in the confines of alley ways with out creating any collateral damage. Holding back if I'm not mistaken. Kara dropped Superman with a punch it just made a slight intend in the floor. Holding back? One punch from the Hulk should decimated everything in a several block radius... it doesn't and when has it ever? These are comic books we are talking about at the end of the day it's all artist interpretation. If we are judging a characters strength based strictly on the damage they deal to the surrounding as a side effect of their fights then we are painting a whole different picture of these characters. All the high end bricks would be like... class 10-20? And seeing as their fights are much more numerous then any random strength feat we would need to discount all their impressive strength feats as PIS since they aren't in concordance with the collateral damage they deal. Saying that Hulk holds back in his fights with Wolverine because there is little environmental damage is just as credible as me arguing that Wolverine has a three foot long neck because that is how Guggenheim drew him in one panel. Stupidity, shear and utter stupidity. Maybe next time you want to discredit Wolverine's feats choose a reasoning that makes sense. You should try it sometime, you might enjoy having a leg to stand on.

Uh.. are you referring to me or Darkcrawler because I never said a thing about collateral damage. 😕

And frankly there are far more stupid notions posted all the time. 😬

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Uh.. are you referring to me or Darkcrawler because I never said a thing about collateral damage. 😕

Darkcrawler...

I should have looked for the quote but I just went straight to writing that post after I caught up on all the posts I hadn't read since the last time in this thread.

Why is this still here Hercules beats Wolverine everyday of anyday better fighter obviously stronger Wovlerine dies.

Originally posted by Fanboy
Why is this still here Hercules beats Wolverine everyday of anyday better fighter obviously stronger Wovlerine dies.

Exactly. Kudos.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
So... Hulk was holding back because the collateral damage to the surrounding environment wasn't substantial? Christ that is stupid. Thor fought Mangog on top of a freaking ice flow with out causing it to shatter. But I guess they were holding back right? Beta Ray Bill has got into slugfests in the confines of alley ways with out creating any collateral damage. Holding back if I'm not mistaken. Kara dropped Superman with a punch it just made a slight intend in the floor. Holding back? One punch from the Hulk should decimated everything in a several block radius... it doesn't and when has it ever? These are comic books we are talking about at the end of the day it's all artist interpretation. If we are judging a characters strength based strictly on the damage they deal to the surrounding as a side effect of their fights then we are painting a whole different picture of these characters. All the high end bricks would be like... class 10-20? And seeing as their fights are much more numerous then any random strength feat we would need to discount all their impressive strength feats as PIS since they aren't in concordance with the collateral damage they deal. Saying that Hulk holds back in his fights with Wolverine because there is little environmental damage is just as credible as me arguing that Wolverine has a three foot long neck because that is how Guggenheim drew him in one panel. Stupidity, shear and utter stupidity. Maybe next time you want to discredit Wolverine's feats choose a reasoning that makes sense. You should try it sometime, you might enjoy having a leg to stand on.

Originally posted by Shorty G
People dont listen and take in his feats because he shouldn't do them, he hasn't the abilitie to do them but the writer makes him do stupid stuff, if they want to make him do stupid stuff like that give him an official upgrade. Anyone who thinks logan should win this is a massive fanboy.

Why. Why shouldn't he do them? What makes you the authority on what Wolverine should and shouldn't be able to do? He has been taking hits from high end bricks for years. Why would he need an upgrade when it is already well with in his power set? He was shrugging off full force hits from Colossus when he first joined the New X-Men before even he had a healing factor written into his character. It isn't that Wolverine shouldn't do the things he has been doing for around thirty years, its that him doing them doesn't suit your purposes. We debate on what the characters actually are, not someones twisted perception of what they should be. If you can't do that then leave these debates to people who actually know what they are talking about and go write a fan-fiction.

Peter [not Parker] was not as strong as he is now, and he hasn't the abilities to do the crap he does, I admit he shouldn't go down straight away but anyone thinking he can beat hulk when it takes most of Marvel to beat him is stupid and in love with him. [Capt, you and to a lesser extent Jinzin] Give me reasons why he should be able to beat Hulk or Herc or anyone WAY above him when his claws cant' penetrate Hulk for example, I hope you understand what I mean.

Originally posted by Fanboy
Why is this still here Hercules beats Wolverine everyday of anyday better fighter obviously stronger Wovlerine dies.

Ah, the staple of the Hercules wins argument! Hercules is stronger then Wolverine you say? I never would have guessed. Well, now that totally changes my opinion of the fight. I guess Hercules would win after all! 🙄

Hercules is a demi-god. Hercules is a thousand times stronger. All true but so what? You know what Hercules isn't? Immortal. Invulnerable. Untouchable. The fight has to be a melee fight, there is no other options. So why is it that a faster, more skilled opponent who has the means to end the fight with one well placed blow isn't a match for him? Because Hercules is a demi-god. Because Hercules is a thousand times stronger. There is no argument here. You guys sound like a bunch of eight year old standing in the play ground saying "because" over and over again.

Originally posted by Shorty G
Peter [not Parker] was not as strong as he is now, and he hasn't the abilities to do the crap he does, I admit he shouldn't go down straight away but anyone thinking he can beat hulk when it takes most of Marvel to beat him is stupid and in love with him. [Capt, you and to a lesser extent Jinzin] Give me reasons why he should be able to beat Hulk or Herc or anyone WAY above him when his claws cant' penetrate Hulk for example, I hope you understand what I mean.

No one thinks Wolverine can beat the Hulk. That would be ridiculous. What some people think is that Wolverine can throw down with the Green Goliath and hold his own. And guess what? He can. Would Wolverine ever win. Nope, not a chance but has nothing to do with the fact that the Hulk is exponentially stronger then Wolverine and everything to do with the fact that the Hulk has a healing factor (a luxury that someone like Hercules doesn't have). If Wolverine cuts the Hulk and damage he receives is healed before Wolverine is even finished fallowing through with the attack. What would happen to Hercules if the same thing happened to him? He'd be on his knees trying to scoop up his intestines and he'd be in no shape to continue fighting.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Ah, the staple of the Hercules wins argument! Hercules is stronger then Wolverine you say? I never would have guessed. Well, now that totally changes my opinion of the fight. I guess Hercules would win after all! 🙄

Hercules is a demi-god. Hercules is a thousand times stronger. All true but so what? You know what Hercules isn't? Immortal. Invulnerable. Untouchable. The fight has to be a melee fight, there is no other options. So why is it that a faster, more skilled opponent who has the means to end the fight with one well placed blow isn't a match for him? Because Hercules is a demi-god. Because Hercules is a thousand times stronger. There is no argument here. You guys sound like a bunch of eight year old standing in the play ground saying "because" over and over again.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
No one thinks Wolverine can beat the Hulk. That would be ridiculous. What some people think is that Wolverine can throw down with the Green Goliath and hold his own. And guess what? He can. Would Wolverine ever win. Nope, not a chance but has nothing to do with the fact that the Hulk is exponentially stronger then Wolverine and everything to do with the fact that the Hulk has a healing factor (a luxury that someone like Hercules doesn't have). If Wolverine cuts the Hulk and damage he receives is healed before Wolverine is even finished fallowing through with the attack. What would happen to Hercules if the same thing happened to him? He'd be on his knees trying to scoop up his intestines and he'd be in no shape to continue fighting.

And this fight is pathetic Logan is not in the same class as Herc and anyone who does is plain and simple stupid, or is madly in love with Logan.

Wolverine should be able to cut Hulk.

Hulk's durability is nowhere near those of other strong guys with enchanced durability such as Thing or Colossus

Originally posted by Shorty G
And you sound like an idiotic fanboy so your no better frankly.

Nice rebuttal. 🙄

Why bother posting if you weren't going to attempt at disputing my points?

Originally posted by Shorty G
Please show me scans that shows Hulk healing from Logans claws because I have saw scans and I have comics of him not being able to cut him. And I think we should ask Capt and Jinzin if they think Logan can beat Hulk, and I want proof Logan can cut Herc.

And this fight is pathetic Logan is not in the same class as Herc and anyone who does is plain and simple stupid, or is madly in love with Logan.

Why does Hercules win? Oh, yeah I forgot. Because. Why? Because. Why? Because. Why? Because. Why? Because. Why? Because... 🙄

Oh and it was retconned after Wolverine's first fight with the Hulk that he was cutting hims just that Hulk healed so fast that his wounds sealed directly behind Wolverine's claws.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
So... Hulk was holding back because the collateral damage to the surrounding environment wasn't substantial? Christ that is stupid. Thor fought Mangog on top of a freaking ice flow with out causing it to shatter. But I guess they were holding back right? Beta Ray Bill has got into slugfests in the confines of alley ways with out creating any collateral damage. Holding back if I'm not mistaken. Kara dropped Superman with a punch it just made a slight intend in the floor. Holding back? One punch from the Hulk should decimated everything in a several block radius... it doesn't and when has it ever? These are comic books we are talking about at the end of the day it's all artist interpretation. If we are judging a characters strength based strictly on the damage they deal to the surrounding as a side effect of their fights then we are painting a whole different picture of these characters. All the high end bricks would be like... class 10-20? And seeing as their fights are much more numerous then any random strength feat we would need to discount all their impressive strength feats as PIS since they aren't in concordance with the collateral damage they deal. Saying that Hulk holds back in his fights with Wolverine because there is little environmental damage is just as credible as me arguing that Wolverine has a three foot long neck because that is how Guggenheim drew him in one panel. Stupidity, shear and utter stupidity. Maybe next time you want to discredit Wolverine's feats choose a reasoning that makes sense. You should try it sometime, you might enjoy having a leg to stand on.

Nice point...

Except that I didn't say anything about Hulk holding back...I said that Hulk was showed as weakling in the scans...and not just in hitting...durability, healing etc...you can't use that as a roof that Wolverine can beat Savage Hulk, because Savage Hulk IS NOT THAT WEAK 99% OF THE TIME.

You can say that he can beat Hulk written as a weakling, though.

You should try to read posts better sometimes, that would be enjoyable. Try to read to comic we are discussing about too.

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Originally posted by jinzin
oh..sorry.

not as powerful at base strength no.. but in the same league while angered nonetheless. Hell he's even gone for a feat of strength vs. savage hulk and was completely overpowered like some ragdoll.... true enough about the last statement.. but again you're missing the point someone said he's never beaten hulk.. he has.. which version was never specified.

Yet, beating a Hulk that takes fifteen minutes to heal a small wound isn't really a feat. Hercules, Thor etc. fight the version of Hulk who can be hit by Mjolnir so hard that the landscape around them is vaporized and not suffer any injuries at all. The feats are not comparable. So when someone says "Thor beat the Hulk", someone can't answer that "Wolverine beat the Hulk too".

Because it would be the same as saying "I SO kicked Oscar de la Hoya's ass in the ring.

And then someone answers "I beat him too. While he was in coma."

Originally posted by jinzin
hulk's healing factor is as inconsistant as wolverine's... yet I'm apparently the only one who seems to notice this... why does savage hulk bleed for minutes on end when speed freak tears into him but he can heal his entire chest having a hole blown through it in minutes?
it doesn't mean he's automatically a weaker version...

Even if it doesn't, it means that he was written way more weak then he has ever been, and saying that Wolverine's next fight with Savage Hulk would go in the same way would mean that you would always go with the weakest way he is written, ignoring 99% of his history...

Originally posted by jinzin
that's not what I'm talking about I'm talking about when he whacked him with a redwood.. and then the ground was glazed over in the entire area.. as akin with a nuke.. not that the destruction that was caused was on the same volume as a nuke.. 😬

hell you can even see the glazed ground in that pic.. I seriously think you're misinterpreting things here...

Originally posted by jinzin
so apparently... hulk's cartilidge in his nose is harder than admantium?

So apparently...Wolverine can generate MORE force then equally indestructible magic hammer going at Mach 10,000 straight to the face?

Originally posted by jinzin
dude I really don't get what the big deal with this is, cap registers hits on namor, wolverine's registered hits on hercules, daredevil's registered hits on hide.. it's not that big a deal for these kinds of guys to hurt bricks.. Also.. you can't POSSIBLY say that savage hulk had no trouble at all from re-entry... savage hulk is cut by wolverine but he heals so fast he SEEMS impenetrable... and this is stated ON PANEL. any damage he may have sustained in re-entry wouldn't be there once out of the crater.. simple as...

Do you honestly think that is the only example where Savage Hulk survives worse things then a headbutt from Wolverine with no injury at all?

There is that previously mentioned 99%...again.

Originally posted by jinzin
the headbut; well again hulk healing factor is written as inconsistantly as wolverine's... I guess everytime people make wolverine bleed for more than 2 seconds they're obviously fighting a debpowered wolverine. 😬

Does Wolverine have different incarnations? Because Hulk has...

I've always thought that they just fight Wolverine that is written to be weaker then he is in majority of his showings...

Originally posted by jinzin
again all we're workin with here is speculation.. it was savage hulk.. it wasn't stated to be a weak version of savage hulk so.... it was savage hulk.

There has NOT BEEN a Savage Hulk since Heroes Reborn. Savage Hulk has always been FAR more powerful then any incarnation shown post-Heroes Reborn.

Originally posted by jinzin
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OMG another ONE! another guy that thinks savage hulk holds back his punches! 🤣

"Hulk smash little man!"

yes... yes he's clearly CLEARLY holding back ain't he? 🙄

And, where did I say that Hulk held back?

That's right, NOWHERE.

You shouldn't probably roll your eyes that much. It seems to be damaging them. 😉

Hercules 1 hit koes him. Just like every other class 80+ used to and shuold do to him.

is it possible wolvie could land a dibillitating blow on herc and wound him to the point where he could finish him by decpitating or putting his claws through his ears or eyes and into his brain?

sure it's possible. herc is an extremely capable h2h combatant however, and while his durability is not generally shown to be on the level of the hulk, he CAN take helladamage. he's also thunderclapped with sufficient force to cause a tornado to dissipate so he could do a great deal of damage WITHOUT having to get in close like wolvie would need to. he is also ENORMOUSLY proficient at hurling objects and he could very likely hit wolverine with something VERY large, and VERY heavy.

this is similar to the classic namor v wolverine and the always enjoyable wonderwoman v wolverine. the only thing herc lacks is their speed, but his durability>namor's and his skill=wonderwoman.

i've seen wolvie do too many crazy-beyond-street-level things to say he wouldn't have any chance. i'd give wolvie maybe 2/10. it would be harder for him if they start at a distance, and better for him if they started very close together.

Originally posted by leonidas
is it possible wolvie could land a dibillitating blow on herc and wound him to the point where he could finish him by decpitating or putting his claws through his ears or eyes and into his brain?

sure it's possible. herc is an extremely capable h2h combatant however, and while his durability is not generally shown to be on the level of the hulk, he CAN take helladamage. he's also thunderclapped with sufficient force to cause a tornado to dissipate so he could do a great deal of damage WITHOUT having to get in close like wolvie would need to. he is also ENORMOUSLY proficient at hurling objects and he could very likely hit wolverine with something VERY large, and VERY heavy.

this is similar to the classic namor v wolverine and the always enjoyable wonderwoman v wolverine. the only thing herc lacks is their speed, but his durability>namor's and his skill=wonderwoman.

i've seen wolvie do too many crazy-beyond-street-level things to say he wouldn't have any chance. i'd give wolvie maybe 2/10. it would be harder for him if they start at a distance, and better for him if they started very close together.

It has been written that, should the testicles of Mighty Hercules be pierced in battle, thus shall he utter a foul "Girlie Scream", and fall to the very dust, trembling, weeping, and awaiting final judgement from his adversary, whilst clutching his tattered "Godhood". (It's only a "God-hood if he has not been granted the gift of circumcision.)

herc 99999999999999999999999999/10