Originally posted by janus77
I'd say, given the godly damage soak the Hulk demonstrated against Zom/Strange, that it's not quite so simple.Hulk does infinitely amp up, and without taking much (if any) time, just needs to feel threatened. given that he's going up against The Flash, he would know that it is going to be a challenge, and so amp himself up adequately from the start.
all his important stats are nigh infinite, healing, regeneration, durability, reflexes ... all well established as being pegged to his dynamic limitless strength.
if Flash could unleash 'infinite' mass, then the universe around him would have to be the source of that mass, would it not?
Flash is bounded by even few physical laws than people like Hulk and Superman and DoctorStrange are. The speedforce protects the rest of the universe from the punch when he strikes at speeds where relativity comes into play.
Hulk would only get basic knowledge so he'd have no way of knowing the obscene variety of power Flash can pull out of his ass on the forum. Not to mention that Flash would not necessarily spend any time letting Hulk get angry enough to be a major threat (and yes I do know how fast he can amp himself, and no it's not fast enough).
Hulk's damage soak is admittedly incredible but given that Flash can keep the pressure up without much effort it won't help him long enough to get the punch he needs to win. And even if he were lucky enough to get to throw a punch against Flash there's no certainty that Flash would stay tangible and let it happen.
yes but +any+ time the Hulk connects, it's over.
whereas Hulk could soak up punishment and be getting stronger at the same time. we have no reference for how long it takes, the best guess (it seems to me) is 'instantaneous'. as in the mountain bracing or the Zom/Strange and Sentry attacks where he just ploughed through what was meant to be cosmic (beyond the terrestrial) levels of power.
as for the phasing thing, that would not negate the on-going (and parallel) process of Hulk's rising durability and strength, all it would do is create a much tougher obstacle for Flash to overcome.
I'm just unsure what (arbitrary) limits can be placed upon The Hulk in this fight, but I am certain that he can't "smash" Flash, due to the immense gulf in operating speeds, at least their initial difference (as speed is, along with all other facets, dynamic for The Hulk).
Originally posted by janus77He was already amped up to start the fight so that can't be taken into count. Hulk has never faced anyone that can hit like a neutron star a billion times a second.
yes but +any+ time the Hulk connects, it's over.
whereas Hulk could soak up punishment and be getting stronger at the same time. we have no reference for how long it takes, the best guess (it seems to me) is 'instantaneous'. as in the mountain bracing or the Zom/Strange and Sentry attacks where he just ploughed through what was meant to be cosmic (beyond the terrestrial) levels of power.as for the phasing thing, that would not negate the on-going (and parallel) process of Hulk's rising durability and strength, all it would do is create a much tougher obstacle for Flash to overcome.
I'm just unsure what (arbitrary) limits can be placed upon The Hulk in this fight, but I am certain that he can't "smash" Flash, due to the immense gulf in operating speeds, at least their initial difference (as speed is, along with all other facets, dynamic for The Hulk).
Originally posted by janus77Who can give 100 class punches millions opf times over and over and over and over and over until Hulk is beaten. 🙄
who is your god?
😕don't have a stroke, it's only a post about some big green gamma infused behemoth taking on some guy in a red jumpsuit who goes really fast 😄.
Originally posted by Da Pittman
He was already amped up to start the fight so that can't be taken into count. Hulk has never faced anyone that can hit like a neutron star a billion times a second.
as for the neutron star stuff... what proof is there of this order of power?
what scans?
Flash is a mortal, a not particularly strong mortal, how can he channel such force without his body completely disintegrating in the process?
where does the Speedforce provide his body with such durability?
I realise that a lot of posters extrapolate the crap out of Flash's abilities, but the very 'science' they use to build up their mythical KMC Flash is rarely if ever vouchsafed by comics, well that I've seen so far. I used to read quite a bit of Barry Allen era Flash (he was/is an interesting character) and I've seen the sort of limits to his durability and strength there as being nothing that Hulk wouldn't exceed, so that at least gives me pause before I sign on to the consensus of "infinite mass punch" wielding Flash fans.
He ha shown his potential many times in comics. Going by the rules he wins.
You have very limited knowledge of Flash. This si Wally and hes more powerful than Barry. He can do thins Barry never tried, but Wally has before and will again.
Your trying to make sense of something that doesn't matter. You want sciencetific, How does anger make him so strong? We can do what you do with everything so it would be best to stop.
Originally posted by janus77Again, DC breaks the laws of physics with Flash with the Speed Force so that can not come into play. The neutron star example was just that an example, he would hit harder than that by a million times with the Infinite Mass Punch because of just that, infinite mass.
there's no way to divorce Hulk from his dynamic - exponentially increasing - powers, and keep it still a contest between "The Hulk" and somebody else. it's part of the essential nature of the character.as for the neutron star stuff... what proof is there of this order of power?
what scans?Flash is a mortal, a not particularly strong mortal, how can he channel such force without his body completely disintegrating in the process?
where does the Speedforce provide his body with such durability?I realise that a lot of posters extrapolate the crap out of Flash's abilities, but the very 'science' they use to build up their mythical KMC Flash is rarely if ever vouchsafed by comics, well that I've seen so far. I used to read quite a bit of Barry Allen era Flash (he was/is an interesting character) and I've seen the sort of limits to his durability and strength there as being nothing that Hulk wouldn't exceed, so that at least gives me pause before I sign on to the consensus of "infinite mass punch" wielding Flash fans.
Hulk is a mortal just like the Flash; nothing has ever proven that he is not mortal. While I do agree that Hulk amped to his full potential could IMO withstand the assault of the IMP’s but that is just one in Flash’s arsenal. Even if you don’t concede that Hulk can’t withstand a billion IMP’s in the very fist second of the fight Flash could simply BFR at any point.
Originally posted by Galan007I do believe he could when he is fully raged, but only a few and not the amount that Flash could dish out in a split second.
This is hard for me to believe.
Originally posted by Da Pittman
Again, DC breaks the laws of physics with Flash with the Speed Force so that can not come into play. The neutron star example was just that an example, he would hit harder than that by a million times with the Infinite Mass Punch because of just that, infinite mass.Hulk is a mortal just like the Flash; nothing has ever proven that he is not mortal. While I do agree that Hulk amped to his full potential could IMO withstand the assault of the IMP’s but that is just one in Flash’s arsenal. Even if you don’t concede that Hulk can’t withstand a billion IMP’s in the very fist second of the fight Flash could simply BFR at any point. I do believe he could when he is fully raged, but only a few and not the amount that Flash could dish out in a split second.
I have yet to see an instance of Flash doing more than one IMP in a row, yet I see this tossed around all the time in a debate.
Originally posted by KutuluI’m not an expert on the Flash by any means (hate the dude), I haven’t seen an instance of him using the IMP and stating that he couldn’t do more than one.
I have yet to see an instance of Flash doing more than one IMP in a row, yet I see this tossed around all the time in a debate.
Originally posted by B.A😆
He would only need one. 🥷
Originally posted by KutuluJust before Flash hit Zum with an IMP, he stated that he could strike him "a thousand times before he could blink.... But once ought to do it." 🙂
I have yet to see an instance of Flash doing more than one IMP in a row, yet I see this tossed around all the time in a debate.