Originally posted by carthage
I honestly doubt that given your predilection to follow the trend of your TOR friends.
I'm really sorry if something I said made you believe I care about what you think. I don't. 🙁
Anyway, you say too much funny stuff for me to possibly keep track. I didn't manipulate anything, your words are quite plainly there for anyone with functioning eyeballs to see.
Yet you specifically skipped the word "force" when you quoted me in a pathetic attempt to prove a point...
Well, firstly l'm new to the site so hello everyone.I believe that Vitiate has the upper hand here. It is really hard to compare when both sides are extremely powerful and never faced each other. However Vitiate's story just beats Sidious'.
Vitiate was badass even as a baby. He easily killed a sith lord at the age of 10 and became one himself at the age of 13. He killed billions with a ritual when he was (only) 100 years old. He was considered a god and remained untouchable for centuries among very powerful rivals in the dark council. I don't think Sidious would survive 300 years as an emperor in that empire.
He never had a master and never bowed to any other being in the galaxy where Sidious needed training with a master to become a dark lord.
He created his own empire and left its organization to dark council. Mean while he studied and mastered the force even more and used his empire's resources for his own search for more power. So if he was so powerful as a lord of 1 planet when only 100 years old, you can imagine the power level he reached as an emperor at the age of 1300.Sidious has lots of achievements too but it just isn't as enormous as Vitiate's story.
I would say Sidious has the upper hand at saber skills but I don't agree with people who are saying Vitiate sucks at saber fighting since we know nothing about it and it is likely that he never used his saber because he never needed it.
In a 1 on 1 scenario I would say it wouldn't even come to saber fighting as both would attack with dark side force techniques and Vitiate would best him. Vitiate's dark energy and mind control skills would help him too since we know that even Darth Jadus who is lower than Vitiate causes physical illness on people who are near him. Being in the same place with Vitiate would probably be terrifying for any average sith lord and it would certainly help against Sidious.
Also I don't think it is okay to say Sidious knows every teaching of dark side since many characters and events were written after this was said(including Vitiate).
force: Vitiate
saber: sidious
overall: Vitiate
Your opinions haven't changed too much bro. You always use the same appeal to ignorance logical fallacies, still make special pleadings regarding Vitiate's constant need for prep/nexus, and still base your entire arguments on your own musings as opposed to Sidious's feats which are still superior to Vitiate's. And this post was a year ago.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=586159&pagenumber=5
Originally posted by carthage
Your opinions haven't changed too much bro. You always use the same appeal to ignorance logical fallacies, still make special pleadings regarding Vitiate's constant need for prep/nexus, and still base your entire arguments on your own musings as opposed to Sidious's feats which are still superior to Vitiate's. And this post was a year ago.http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=586159&pagenumber=5
And again, my opinion changed about Vitiate vs Sidious. My knowledge on even Vitiate expended after that.
Oh btw, its pretty retarded to say "this post was a year ago." since I've been here for only a year and that was my first post on this site. 😆
I'm checking out that thread again. Even your master and the ultimate Sidious wanker Tempest says that thinking Sidious would blitz Vitiate is silly. Literally no one takes your arguments seriously bro. Not even those who are on your side in this TOR vs PT thing.
Originally posted by Sinious
And again, my opinion changed about Vitiate vs Sidious. My knowledge on even Vitiate expended after that.Oh btw, its pretty retarded to say "this post was a year ago." since I've been here for only a year and that was my first post on this site. 😆
I'm checking out that thread again. Even your master and the ultimate Sidious wanker Tempest says that thinking Sidious would blitz Vitiate is silly. Literally no one takes your arguments seriously bro. Not even those who are on your side in this TOR vs PT thing.
Your butthurt is duly noted. I don't care what Tempest says to be honest, considering Vitiate has no speed feats that put him above even Fisto or Saesee Tiin. Tempest's covert wanking/odd opinion of Vitiate isn't something I'm unaware of.
Literally no one takes your arguments seriously bro.
Your Outcast forum's opinions don't matter to me, considering how badly they are off when it comes to their placings either. Lol
Your opinions haven't changed, they're still erroneous, laughably off, and you keep making the same hilarious logical gaffes every time you try to speak on the Subject of Vitiate vs Sidious.
I'd post more of your quotes from that thread, but I think my job is done for the most part
I said that Vitiate has no speed feats that put him above Fisto. I said nothing about him being able to beat him. I'm unsure personally. Off nexus Fisto can likely blitz him seeing as Vitiate has no speed feats off of a darkside nexus. Vitiate can likely take him out via the force, but he'd likely have to gather power and Fisto would already have killed him by then. I don't know.
Originally posted by carthage
Your butthurt is duly noted. I don't care what Tempest says to be honest, considering Vitiate has no speed feats that put him above even Fisto or Saesee Tiin. Tempest's covert wanking of Vitiate isn't something I'm unaware of.
lmao "butthurt" Still doesn't change the fact that you are the troll mascot of this forum.
Your Outcast forum's opinions don't matter to me, considering how badly they are off when it comes to their placings either. Lol
This is coming from the guy who thinks Count Dooku is top 5 sith. 😂
Your opinions haven't changed, they're still erroneous, laughably off, and you keep making the same hilarious logical gaffes every time you try to speak on the Subject of Vitiate vs Sidious.I'd post more of your quotes from that thread, but I think my job is done for the most part
I don't remember debating about Sidious vs Vitiate in a long time. Like I said, I place him right under ROTS Sidious. You're so delusional that you cannot see the fact that you're the only person who believes Dooku, Maul etc would defeat him.
I think you've been trolling for so long that you started to believe in your own BS.
Originally posted by carthage
I said that Vitiate has no speed feats that put him above Fisto. I said nothing about him being able to beat him. I'm unsure personally. Off nexus Fisto can likely blitz him seeing as Vitiate has no speed feats off of a darkside nexus. Vitiate can likely take him out via the force, but he'd likely have to gather power and Fisto would already have killed him by then. I don't know.
I don't think I need to say anything else here. You've proven my point with this.
Too many ad hominems and too little refutations of my observations of your logical mishaps. Also you're wrong I now have Vader as #5. 🙂
And yes I stand by my opinions that any fast character (without a prep or nexus) can blitz Vitiate. Again for all of the discussions I've bested you in, you've never refuted my observation that Vitiate has no off nexus speed feats to even be able to react to X character's speed. Making a ridiculous statement like this:
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Sidious won't be blitzing and Vitiate won't be mind controlling.
Doesn't disprove the fact that Maul, Sidious, and Dooku are all proven to be faster than Vitiate. Try again
Originally posted by carthage
Too many ad hominems and too little refutations of my observations of your logical mishaps. Also you're wrong I now have Vader as #5. 🙂
Try to look at it however you want buddy.
What changed your feeble mind about top 5 sith?
And yes I stand by my opinions that any fast character (without a prep or nexus) can blitz Vitiate. Again for all of the discussions I've bested you in, you've never refuted my observation that Vitiate has no off nexus speed feats to even be able to react to X character's speed. Making a ridiculous statement like this:Doesn't disprove the fact that Maul, Sidious, and Dooku are all proven to be faster than Vitiate. Try again
Except he already fought very powerful force users and didnt get blitzed by them. 👆
I won't be debating about this with you though. Don't even bother.