Originally posted by Himo
And all the information from that area was lost from the purge.In game, (This a long shot, I know) he uses drain life/force drain during the battle with the Exile, and it works against you. If we take that into account, Nihilius used a different ability the first time he tried draining.
Sidious isn't Nihilius's brethren. Nihilius feeds off of the force, thrives from it. Sidious? Lives normally, not needing to constantly devour things to live. Am I wrong?
The Exile was not reconnected to the force like Luke was. The Exile gained the ability to use the force again through others, while Luke gained back by gaining it through himself.
And a lot of it was recovered. Luke only managed to discover many praxeums, and even found many holocrons...he also studied Sith powers and history under Palpatine and knows about things from the legions of Lettow to the Battle of Corbos.
Knowledge was recovered. It's been shown factually Nihilus is a common knowledge subject
And Palpatine needed to drain life from those on other planets after he returned from the dark side. and does it even matter how the Exile or Luke reconnected? They both did after being reconnected. Wounds or not, it could be the same principle.
Originally posted by ESB Vader
indeed it doesnt because u missed the point, the sources never said sidious mastered the ancient form of lightsaber fightsand luke removing himself from the force doesnt make him a wound where the force drain still works
It says he mastered the forms and styles of the lightsaber. There's no inconsistency and especially considering Palpatine would've had access to Tulak's spirit on Korriban and in his rituals...
And being a wound wouldn't matter. The Exile was still force sensitive and she regained the force. Luke did the same.
Originally posted by ESB Vader
indeed it doesnt because u missed the point, the sources never said sidious mastered the ancient form of lightsaber fights
For one, we don't ever actually see any Ancient Sith using a lightsaber. Two, the only Ancient Sith that we know of that uses a lightsaber is Tulak Hord - so it'd make sense for him to be the "best".
And last time I checked, Lightsaber dueling isn't a Force technique.
and luke removing himself from the force doesnt make him a wound where the force drain still works
Dude, Luke can virtually remove himself from the Force. Nihilus drains the Force. There will be no Force where Luke is. How is he going to drain that?
yea it could but u missed the point. the exiles a wound luke removing himself is not, he is still whole and that allows the drain to effect him still and what about life drain advent? it still sucks the life from him and
if the force is life. wouldnt luke looping kill him?
because its like saying removing himself from the force is removing life from him
Originally posted by Lightsnake
And a lot of it was recovered. Luke only managed to discover many praxeums, and even found many holocrons...he also studied Sith powers and history under Palpatine and knows about things from the legions of Lettow to the Battle of Corbos.Knowledge was recovered. It's been shown factually Nihilus is a common knowledge subject
And Palpatine needed to drain life from those on other planets after he returned from the dark side. and does it even matter how the Exile or Luke reconnected? They both did after being reconnected. Wounds or not, it could be the same principle.
Nihilius wouldn't be a common subject in Sith teachings. He was not of any race, and lived off of death. Sidious wouldn't dwell on a thing of, to many, would be legend.
Whee was it shown his ability was common knowledge?
Yes, it does. The Exile was a void in the force, as said by the Jedi Masters in KOTOR 2 (Along the lines, exact quote would be helpful if anyone could find it). Luke was reconnected by himself, and his was controlled consciously.
Originally posted by Himo
Nihilius wouldn't be a common subject in Sith teachings. He was not of any race, and lived off of death. Sidious wouldn't dwell on a thing of, to many, would be legend.Whee was it shown his ability was common knowledge?
Yes, it does. The Exile was a void in the force, as said by the Jedi Masters in KOTOR 2 (Along the lines, exact quote would be helpful if anyone could find it). Luke was reconnected by himself, and his was controlled consciously.
Sidious was a seeker of knowledge and learned all he could. That'd include Ni, especially given Sidious's propensity for Force Drain. I never said his ability was commonly known, but Nihilus was certainly known and considering Visas was a key part in reforming the Jedi...it wasn't legend, he's included in Evil Never Dies, the hyperspace article.
And once more: the reconnection process would matter why?
And the Exile still used the force
Originally posted by Lightsnake
It says he mastered the forms and styles of the lightsaber. There's no inconsistency and especially considering Palpatine would've had access to Tulak's spirit on Korriban and in his rituals...And being a wound wouldn't matter. The Exile was still force sensitive and she regained the force. Luke did the same.
So that means he mastered Vaapad? Because it never stated Sidious was mastered it. Sounds like an inconsistency? And how would Palpatine have access to Tulak Hord's spirit? Who's to say that Tulak Hord's spirit even comes out at all, considering he is an unknown, he didn't come out during the KOTOR time, so I don't get your point.
the exile still used the force but its the wound which is nihilus weakness the exile reconnected but isnt fully healed
ok guys its getting late here 1 am alrdy, i live in asia so its 13 hour diff from usa, y not we all take a break hm? no im not giving up but i will continue when i wake up k.
every1 juz take sometime to relax
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Sidious was a seeker of knowledge and learned all he could. That'd include Ni, especially given Sidious's propensity for Force Drain. I never said his ability was commonly known, but Nihilus was certainly known and considering Visas was a key part in reforming the Jedi...it wasn't legend, he's included in Evil Never Dies, the hyperspace article.And once more: the reconnection process would matter why?
And the Exile still used the force
Mentioned, as in he's not well known. Nihilius is not a common subject anywhere after KOTOR 2. The knowledge of Nhilius died with the Purge. Sidious looked at major Sith, not one who was a footnote in the destruction of the Jedi. If there was information on Nihilius still alive, it would be a mention of his name at the most.
Sorry, that was a dead end. I should be focusing on the fact that Nihilius can't drain from the Exile since he's a void in the force. Nhilius was created from the Exile, and draining from him would be draining from himself.
He's well known enough to be remembered as the head of the Sith at one point and a scourge of the ORder. Again: VISAS was helping to rebuild the Order.
Would you stop how 'the info died in the purge?' Luke's Jedi uncovered a LOT and Luke learned quite a bit from Sidious and his private storehouses and the Sith's own history records the Sith Triumvirate extensively (History of the Sith. Insider article. Written by an in universe perspective)
They found knowledge dating back to the Legions of Lettow, they found info on Exar Kun and Bane. Nihilus is NOT that big a stretch. And Nihilus was called the last great Dark Lord of that era.
Info was recovered. Stop trying to say you know how Sidious looked at things.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
He's well known enough to be remembered as the head of the Sith at one point and a scourge of the ORder. Again: VISAS was helping to rebuild the Order.Would you stop how 'the info died in the purge?' Luke's Jedi uncovered a LOT and Luke learned quite a bit from Sidious and his private storehouses and the Sith's own history records the Sith Triumvirate extensively (History of the Sith. Insider article. Written by an in universe perspective)
They found knowledge dating back to the Legions of Lettow, they found info on Exar Kun and Bane. Nihilus is NOT that big a stretch. And Nihilus was called the last great Dark Lord of that era.
Info was recovered. Stop trying to say you know how Sidious looked at things.
Stop trying to say Luke would know what his ability would do. If you say I can't make logical guesses on what Sidious cares about, I say you cant make them on what Luke knows. Fair?
Originally posted by Himo
Stop trying to say Luke would know what his ability would do. If you say I can't make logical guesses on what Sidious cares about, I say you cant make them on what Luke knows. Fair?
Originally posted by Lightsnake
It's a logical assumption for Luke, considering his incredible senses, tutelage under Sidious and actually being shown what Sidious could do on Byss, as well as the very history of the galaxy has indeed recorded Darth Nihlus as the last great Dark Lord of that era. The Sith certainly record him and he's well known enough to have a mention in classroom lectures.
As is considering that fact that Nihilius's ability wouldn't be discussed in records that could be found. The Purge effectively destroyed most of the Jedi knowledge. Yes, a MENTION. He was would be mentioned as powerful, but again, his power would not be discussed since no Sith has ever witnessed it, and the only one who has account wouldn't be around anymore. Visas would not actively teach people about his ability. She would sound incoherent at best.
Originally posted by Himo
As is considering that fact that Nihilius's ability wouldn't be discussed in records that could be found. The Purge effectively destroyed most of the Jedi knowledge. Yes, a MENTION. He was would be mentioned as powerful, but again, his power would not be discussed since no Sith has ever witnessed it, and the only one who has account wouldn't be around anymore. Visas would not actively teach people about his ability. She would sound incoherent at best.
You're missing sometihng: The Exile, or her companions rebuilt the Jedi Order and Visas would see that it was recorded...you keep misisng how a LOT of info was recovered as evidenced by Voren Na'al's writings.
And in History of the Sith, he's discussed in far more detail. The Jedi know what he did to Katar.Once again: It's force drain with Nihilus's unique nature behind it, but it's still force drain
Originally posted by Lightsnake
You're missing sometihng: The Exile, or her companions rebuilt the Jedi Order and Visas would see that it was recorded...you keep misisng how a LOT of info was recovered as evidenced by Voren Na'al's writings.And in History of the Sith, he's discussed in far more detail. The Jedi know what he did to Katar.Once again: It's force drain with Nihilus's unique nature behind it, but it's still force drain
A lot, but not all of it. If you wnat to only use his account, then we know that no one knows how Nihilius did it. They only know what came after.
The unique nature is what makes it unpredictable to Luke. Nihilius would be like nothing anyone has seen. He's a wound; something that Luke has not seen before, maybe he's heard some rumors, but nothing substantial to actually give him the edge against Nihilius