Originally posted by Himo
So how would Luke know what Nihilius would do? If it is not mentioned how Nihilius did it, than it's irrelevant to the situation. I've seen the ruins of Machu Picchu but do I know how the Incans did it? No. Unless it directly states how Nihilius did it, Luke won't know what's coming. Nihilius's force drain is different from Sidious's. Nihilius is a wound in the force, and therefore does not use the same technique as Sidious, who is a regualr force user.
Didn't I just say it's mentioned in the Visual Guide? And no, force drain is force drain. Palpatine's also been described as a black hole in the force and pure, devouring darkness.
Ni may be a wound, but he uses force drain, Meaning Luke'll react accordingly.
its already proven, sidious learnt the ancient techniques but didnt master it, and if u dont master something it wouldnt be as good right? even kreia could drain the whole planet but it would take her alot of time,
and the sources of wiki and wookiepedia says nihilus has come to learn the greatest, indeed the greates technique of the sith.
and what will luke do? green lightning? nihilus is a wound and abosrbs it, make a loop? slight delay and nihilus can use life drain rather than force drain which will kill luke
want me to post a link?
Um, no...plenty of people can master one thing. Palpatine was able to master pretty much every technique, meaning he could use every last one of them at his leisure.
And once more: Considering Luke's seen Palpatine in action and learned from him, it seems he will know about Force Drain and act accordingly, or simply attack faster than Nihilus...and this is a man who wields one saber as if it were twenty.
Oh, and no, sorry, it states Sidious mastered all techniques: That includes Force Drain, I'm afraid
sidious master every technique? no he didnt, he did lern most of them cept for blowing up a star and tulak hords holocron.
and didnt i say life drain? nihilus can use that instead of force drain and its automatic, he provd it by devouring an entire planet
and palpatine using techniques at his leisure? he can try doing it on nihilus but doesnt it back fire because nihilus is a hole in the force?
Originally posted by ESB Vader
its already proven, sidious learnt the ancient techniques but didnt master it,
No, you're arguing with canon. Sidious mastered all techniques.
and if u dont master something it wouldnt be as good right?
Sadly, he did master it. So, it doesn't matter.
and the sources of wiki and wookiepedia says nihilus has come to learn the greatest, indeed the greates technique of the sith.
Wookiepedia is a fallible, third party source. Do you want me to go edit the site so it says that "Nihilus is the weakest character in Star Wars"? you cannot use wiki as a source for argument.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Didn't I just say it's mentioned in the Visual Guide? And no, force drain is force drain. Palpatine's also been described as a black hole in the force and pure, devouring darkness.Ni may be a wound, but he uses force drain, Meaning Luke'll react accordingly.
Yes you said THE AFTERMATH. Again, I have seen the ruins of Machu Picchu, but do I know how it was made? NO. That goes hand in hand with seeing the destruction of Katarr.
Again, a wound in the force is different from a regular force user. Nihilius would not be using the same technique as Sidious would. What Nihilius did was unique. Learn to deal with it.
Um, yes he did. You don't overrule written canon material.
It says he mastered it, CASE CLOSED.
Oh, force drain is drain life. And considering we saw him in orbit for a bit over Katarr BEFORE it was drained, seems this takes time. Stop saying it's automatic when you have no proof.
And get this: The canon source says Palpatine mastered everything.
He mastered everything, got it?
hmm u got a point advent but none of the sources none at all i check most of them if not all of them, none of them said sidious mastered everything.
and he didnt learn to blow up a star nor battle meditation and he didnt even mastered force storm, if he did then his force storm would have crushed the fleet in DE
Originally posted by Himo
Yes you said THE AFTERMATH. Again, I have seen the ruins of Machu Picchu, but do I know how it was made? NO. That goes hand in hand with seeing the destruction of Katarr.Again, a wound in the force is different from a regular force user. Nihilius would not be using the same technique as Sidious would. What Nihilius did was unique. Learn to deal with it.
And nope, it's stated Ni used Force Drain/Drain Life. Palpatine used force drain/drain life.
Sidious is described as a black hole in the force, a devouring darkness. Sounds close enough to Ni.
Sorry, but Ni just can't play with the big boys. Why'd he collapse when he tried to drain the Exile? The Exile was able to use the Force...because she'd once cut herself off is why. Luke's done the same. It's that simple
Originally posted by ESB Vader
hmm u got a point advent but none of the sources none at all i check most of them if not all of them, none of them said sidious mastered everything.and he didnt learn to blow up a star nor battle meditation and he didnt even mastered force storm, if he did then his force storm would have crushed the fleet in DE
What're you checking, Wiki? Dark Empire sourcebook states everything.
Oh, and:
The ancients couldn't blow up stars without the weapons on their ships
Palpatine mastered battle meditation and used it several times on his fleets
He mastered the force storm. Being CUT OFF FROM THE FORCE hinders that...and the Force Storm is the strongest Dark Side technique bar none, thanks.
u hate nihilus dont you lol and ur using my word against me, force drain life drain, sidious is a black hole but nihilus is something who consumes and completely destroys the force,
and when nihilus collapsed? he still had the strength to stand up and fight.
if the same happened to sidious he would have been killed.
and life drain is etched onto the victim not the force aura surounding the victim so it doesnt make a difference
and DE source came out BEFORE kotor2
new info overwirtes old like exile being male? leland overwriiten it to be female
He collapsed still...he was weakned.
And no, Force Drain is the same as Drain Life. And what are you talking about? If Palpatine tried to drain the exile he would have died? Where're you getting that from?
And once more, this is quite simple: It states Palpatine mastered every technique and we've been shown him using the ones you claim he didn't know
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Big deal. Once again: Visas is one of those rebuilding the jedi Order and she's seen Ni's work firsthand.And nope, it's stated Ni used Force Drain/Drain Life. Palpatine used force drain/drain life.
Sidious is described as a black hole in the force, a devouring darkness. Sounds close enough to Ni.
Sorry, but Ni just can't play with the big boys. Why'd he collapse when he tried to drain the Exile? The Exile was able to use the Force...because she'd once cut herself off is why. Luke's done the same. It's that simple
And all the information from that area was lost from the purge.
In game, (This a long shot, I know) he uses drain life/force drain during the battle with the Exile, and it works against you. If we take that into account, Nihilius used a different ability the first time he tried draining.
Sidious isn't Nihilius's brethren. Nihilius feeds off of the force, thrives from it. Sidious? Lives normally, not needing to constantly devour things to live. Am I wrong?
The Exile was not reconnected to the force like Luke was. The Exile gained the ability to use the force again through others, while Luke gained back by gaining it through himself.