Originally posted by AlfheimYou're rather quick to call out PIS these days.
To be quite honest though I kinda doubt that Kyle could do that all the time, this again sounds like the example of where MM easily controlled the Spectre and where MM periced the defences of a being that pawned a planet full of Thanos level being. Sounds like PIS actually.He created a superman level being but something tells me he had trouble from less powerful characters.
Wait a minute..
What did these constructs actually do ive seen scans of Kyle creating sentinet Gls but all they did is punch somebody in the face. You said he created beings capable of but what did they actaully do?
Kyle Rayner has a ring that can essentially do anything the user can imagine. Kyle Rayner has done the thing that according to you makes Grandmaster a "skyfather" or "sub-skyfather" or equal to Thanos.
In fact he's greatly exceeded what Grandmaster did, some time travel and (of the Sinister Squadron) created Hyperion (the others being empowered by objects etc).
Kyle's power created multiple Green Lanterns, as well as Oblivion - a being who created a quasar capable of collapsing the universe. I think that trumps making Hyperion.
Perhaps Grandmaster's simply just not that powerful in the grand scheme of things...? 313
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
You're rather quick to call out PIS these days.
and you ignore on panel evidence and stuff written in black and white, dont by a hypocrite.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Kyle Rayner has a ring that can essentially do anything the user can imagine. Kyle Rayner has done the thing that according to you makes Grandmaster a "skyfather" or "sub-skyfather" or equal to Thanos.
In fact he's greatly exceeded what Grandmaster did, some time travel and (of the Sinister Squadron) created Hyperion (the others being empowered by objects etc).
Kyle's power created multiple Green Lanterns, as well as Oblivion - a being who created a quasar capable of collapsing the universe. I think that trumps making Hyperion.Perhaps Grandmaster's simply just not that powerful in the grand scheme of things...? 313
Again i'll ask you what they did not what they are capable of doing. A herald is capable of making multiple herlad characters and is still a herald? Why dot you just ask me is it PIS for Thing to beat Luke Cage who has held up a skyscraper with one hand.
LOL so he can make a character that can collapse the uinverse from his own power and hes a herald can you please explain this.
Originally posted by AlfheimLulz. Someone sounds like he's been bitten by the bitter bug... oh noez Grandmaster isn't as great as I thought.
and you ignore on panel evidence and stuff written in black and white, dont by a hypocrite.
You're still going on about that Hulk thing, in the thread I ended up stating Xavier used telepathy on him after going back to the issue - didn't specify what kind of telepathy though. Emma Frost was still not shown to use telepathy during the three issue miniseries even though she makes a comment on it. Happy? 🙂
Meanwhile my observation about your throwing the term PIS out there like it grows on trees is pretty accurate. Additionally you're still confusing PIS with SvFL - interestingly the latter has been removed from the rules, I'm not sure when.
If the SvFL rule was still in place though: Does creating a contingent of Green Lanterns and Oblivion exceed the power of a ring that for all intents and purposes can essentially do anything?
Originally posted by AlfheimI don't remember Luke Cage lifting a skyscraper with one hand. 🙂
Again i'll ask you what they did not what they are capable of doing. A herald is capable of making multiple herlad characters and is still a herald? Why dot you just ask me is it PIS for Thing to beat Luke Cage who has held up a skyscraper with one hand.LOL so he can make a character that can collapse the uinverse from his own power and hes a herald can you please explain this.
I don't particularly have to explain anything. I'm not claiming any place in the hierarchy for any particular character. I'm just listing things Kyle Rayner's done.
Kyle and his creations defeated Oblivion. Earlier it's stated that Oblivion is essentially Kyle's potential realized.
Kyle has contained a Big Bang.
Kyle has held black hole singularities and flown into them.
Kyle has recreated planets/cities.
Kyle has fought multiple Angels.
Kyle aided in repairing and recreating Heaven's Ladder.
And a rookie Kyle stood up to Parallax.
It's nice having what's been described as "the most powerful weapon in the universe."
They mayhaps invalidate your claim of a particular place for a particular character, and you mayhaps need to find something better to support your claim if it's out there.
What has Grandmaster done with his "mastery of time and space" to consider him a skyfather again?
Time travel? Well Hal's done that. Making beings? Well Kyle's done that.
Even leaving aside GL's and their rings. Xavier and Magneto manifest Onslaught, Xavier and Magneto are a match for skyfathers now? Sub-skyfather? Lulz. I'm sure Odin and Thanos are quaking in their boots. You probably have to do a little more than that before you start charging against Zeus.
So what else has Grandmaster done then other than the things you already said in this thread, which really don't make one at or near skyfather... now do they?
This of course all being relatively off-topic, considering the GL in question is Hal. But then we're playing fun with ABC logic... so maybe it isn't.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Lulz. Someone sounds like he's been bitten by the bitter bug... oh noez Grandmaster isn't as great as I thought.You're still going on about that Hulk thing, in the thread I ended up stating Xavier used telepathy on him after going back to the issue - didn't specify what kind of telepathy though. Emma Frost was still not shown to use telepathy during the three issue miniseries even though she makes a comment on it. Happy? 🙂
Meanwhile my observation about your throwing the term PIS out there like it grows on trees is pretty accurate. Additionally you're still confusing PIS with SvFL - interestingly the latter has been removed from the rules, I'm not sure when.
If the SvFL rule was still in place though: Does creating a contingent of Green Lanterns and Oblivion exceed the power of a ring that for all intents and purposes can essentially do anything?
I don't remember Luke Cage lifting a skyscraper with one hand. 🙂I don't particularly have to explain anything. I'm not claiming any place in the hierarchy for any particular character. I'm just listing things Kyle Rayner's done.
Kyle and his creations defeated Oblivion. Earlier it's stated that Oblivion is essentially Kyle's potential realized.
Kyle has contained a Big Bang.
Kyle has held black hole singularities and flown into them.
Kyle has recreated planets/cities.
Kyle has fought multiple Angels.
Kyle aided in repairing and recreating Heaven's Ladder.
And a rookie Kyle stood up to Parallax.
It's nice having what's been described as "the most powerful weapon in the universe."They mayhaps invalidate your claim of a particular place for a particular character, and you mayhaps need to find something better to support your claim if it's out there.
What has Grandmaster done with his "mastery of time and space" to consider him a skyfather again.
Time travel? Well Hal's done that. Making beings? Well Kyle's done that.Even leaving aside GL's and their rings. Xavier and Magneto manifest Onslaught, Xavier and Magneto are a match for skyfathers now? Sub-skyfather? Lulz. I'm sure Odin and Thanos are quaking in their boots. You probably have to do a little more than that before you start charging against Zeus.
This of course all being relatively off-topic, considering the GL in question is Hal. But then we're playing fun with ABC logic... so maybe it isn't.
Blab blah blah blah. Don't have time for this nonsense.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Ooh, witty. You're quite the eloquent wordsmith.
Im not even going to bother responding to the post because im just not in the mood for going around the houses. Hell you might even be right but a statement like Luke Cage has never lifted up a skyscraper with one hand indicates your simply not making an effort to use your head and this discussion isnt going to go anywhere.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Seeing as how neither Thanos nor Silver Surfer are regulary displaying the ability to react and move in battle at the speed aproaching that of Superman, Runner being that fast in comparison to them isn't exactly one of the best arguments.Not to mention that as Juntai pointed out, Thanos and the Runner never got to finish the battle and Surfer wasn't at his best when fighting him.
Really, it's not that hard to grasp.
Surfer does not move at speeds in battle approaching supermans speed?
The surfer has on numerous occassions speed blitzd multiple starships moving at multiple times the speed of light He is so fast that he has hit guys before they finish t-porting. He has proven numerous times that he has nano second reaction times and is faster than superman in or out of battle. It is only logical 2 believe dat widout outside inteference der was no way thanos would have one
Originally posted by ultimatethor
Surfer does not move at speeds in battle approaching supermans speed?
The surfer has on numerous occassions speed blitzd multiple starships moving at multiple times the speed of light He is so fast that he has hit guys before they finish t-porting. He has proven numerous times that he has nano second reaction times and is faster than superman in or out of battle. It is only logical 2 believe dat widout outside inteference der was no way thanos would have one
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