Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
GM isn't above Thanos...
Thats debateable. In all fairness he is at least sub-skyfather which is about the same level.
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Although, he has knocked back a team of Surfer, Thor, and others with ease before... srug
Not a bad feat though?
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Can't see what he has to do with Runner though...
I was just saying that Runner can move at speeds that only characters as powerful as GM can percieve him.
He created Hyperion out of psuedo organic matter, a copy to match the original.
Darkseid created Stayne in a giant starry hand, out of his own power alone, much more impressive.
Lex Luthor has used sciences and objects of power and the like to make super-teams as well, as Grandmaster did with his team. Not impressive.
And it clearly says anyone who is superfast can view and speak to them. Obviously the Grandmaster is using time-displacement to simulate it, and the other character simply doesn't have the speed.
I already responded to your questions and showed you Superman being able to use his superspeed to make himself invisible as well.
I even showed you other characters, being able to accomplish the statue crap, so you should understand how unimpressive it actually is. Superman has proven to be as fast or faster than both of those characters. Oh, and the entire JSA was present there, it wasn't just regular humans.
Try harder, try again.
Originally posted by Juntai
He created Hyperion out of psuedo organic matter, a copy to match the original.Darkseid created Stayne in a giant starry hand, out of his own power alone, much more impressive.
Lex Luthor has used sciences and objects of power and the like to make super-teams as well, as Grandmaster did with his team. Not impressive.
Did you see the bit where I said that it didnt indicate that he used tech and that his bio states that other accounts indicated he used his own power?
At any rate it still doesnt matter because GM is at least sub-skyfather.
Originally posted by Juntai
And it clearly says anyone who is superfast can view and speak to them. Obviously the Grandmaster is using time-displacement to simulate it, and the other character simply doesn't have the speed.I already responded to your questions and showed you Superman being able to use his superspeed to make himself invisible as well.
I even showed you other characters, being able to accomplish the statue crap, so you should understand how unimpressive it actually is. Superman has proven to be as fast or faster than both of those characters. Oh, and the entire JSA was present there, it wasn't just regular humans.Try harder, try again.
Hello. Those.....were.....odinary.....people not herald level characters Give me scans of Supeman making HERALD level characters look like STATUES.
When I say statues I dont mean make them look slow. I mean so slow they are not even moving, if I dont tell you that your going to give me scans of Supes speedblitzing.
Originally posted by Juntai
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No, it clearly says super fast characters can.
Yes it does say that and it also says that GM can see them due to his control over time and space. Furthermore there were herald level characters who were so slow they were like statues.....not......ordinary......people.
Also giving me scans of Superman being invisible doesnt cut it. Quicksilver made himself invisible but people were still not motionless....that they key word here.
Originally posted by Alfheim😆
Did you see the bit where I said that he didnt use tech and that his bio states that other accounts indicated he used his own power?Hello. Those.....were.....odinary.....people not herald level characters [B]Give me scans of Supeman making HERALD level characters look like STATUES.
Yes it does say that and it also says that GM can see them due to his control over time and space. Furthermore there were herald level characters who were so slow they were like statues.....not......ordinary......people. [/B]
This is hilarious.
The JSA was in that fight with Black Adam, ordinary people were not the only ones around.
Your contradictory evidence as to the creation of the Squadron Sinister doesn't change their on panel origin. He used tech and such.
You're trying to get too specific. It clearly says the superfast can percieve them. Nothing beyond Superman. It's certainly not a quantifiable speed feat. And I've shown you Superman doing the same thing.
Try again.
Anyways, you've argued for like 5 pages, without making a real rebuttle or presenting anything resembling a respectable arguement. I've matched you on every front, you've tried to downplay or outright ignore what little of everything I've said in the thread by not responding, or responding with complete non-sense. It's even clear from the comments of other debators, that no one feels you've made any progress here, but are in fact- just trolling the thread because of fanboy reasons.
I'm done with this. I've got other things to do.
Come back when you actually got something, kid.
Originally posted by Juntai
😆This is hilarious.
The JSA was in that fight with Black Adam, ordinary people were not the only ones around.
You cant read. Its just like im saying you have comics but you have no intepretation skills. Read it again.
"They move like the lightning bolt that emblazon their chest....fast enough to make the people around them seem like statues"
Whose they? Who has lightning bolts on their chests? Flash and Black Adam. Who are the people around them.....ORDINARY PEOPLE.
Originally posted by Juntai
Your contradictory evidence as to the creation of the Squadron Sinister doesn't change their on panel origin. He used tech and such.You're trying to get too specific. It clearly says the superfast can percieve them. Nothing beyond Superman. It's certainly not a quantifiable speed feat.
Try again.
Im not even going to bother with this. When you can learn to read your own scans then we can talk.
Originally posted by Juntai
Anyways, you've argued for like 5 pages, without making a real rebuttle or presenting anything resembling a respectable arguement. I've matched you on every front, you've tried to downplay or outright ignore what little of everything I've said in the thread by not responding, or responding with complete non-sense. It's even clear from the comments of other debators, that no one feels you've made any progress here, but are in fact- just trolling the thread because of fanboy reasons.I'm done with this. I've got other things to do.
Come back when you actually got something, kid.
O shut up. Learn to read your own comicbooks. Owned.
Originally posted by Alfheim
You cant read. Its just like im saying you have comics but you have no intepretation skills. Read it again."They move like the lightning bolt that emblazon their chest....fast enough to make the people around them seem like statues"
Whose they? Who has lightning bolts on their chests? Flash and Black Adam. Who are the people around them.....ORDINARY PEOPLE.
Im not even going to bother with this. When you can learn to read your own scans then we can talk.You're not bothering, because you can't prove otherwise. It says superfast characters can do it, nothing beyond Superman.
O shut up. Learn to read your own comicbooks. Owned.
Originally posted by Juntai
The JSA was present at that fight. Just because I grabbed a scan of him going to toe with Flash doesn't change who else was part of that. It was Black Adam against Dr. Fate, Hourman Android, Sentinel, Atom-Smasher, Hawkgirl, Black Canary, Flash , Sand, Star-Sprangled Kid.
Thats irrelevant you didnt show me scans of Black Adam looking like a statue did you? Did you show me scans of other powerful superheroes looking like statues? You got no proof.
Its all very well you saying thats what happened wheres the proof?????
Where the other heors in that scan? All you are doing is describing to me what happened with no actual evidence.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Thats irrelevant you didnt show me scans of Black Adam looking like a statue did you? Did you show me scans of other powerful superheroes looking like statues? You got no proof.Its all very well you saying thats what happened wheres the proof?????
Where the other heors in that scan? All you are doing is describing to me what happened with no actual evidence.
Originally posted by Juntai
😆This is hilarious.
The JSA was in that fight with Black Adam, ordinary people were not the only ones around.
Your contradictory evidence as to the creation of the Squadron Sinister doesn't change their on panel origin. He used tech and such.
You're trying to get too specific. It clearly says the superfast can percieve them. Nothing beyond Superman. It's certainly not a quantifiable speed feat. And I've shown you Superman doing the same thing.
Try again.
Originally posted by Juntai
Anyways, you've argued for like 5 pages, without making a real rebuttle or presenting anything resembling a respectable arguement. I've matched you on every front, you've tried to downplay or outright ignore what little of everything I've said in the thread by not responding, or responding with complete non-sense. It's even clear from the comments of other debators, that no one feels you've made any progress here, but are in fact- just trolling the thread because of fanboy reasons.I'm done with this. I've got other things to do.
Come back when you actually got something, kid.
Originally posted by Juntai
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Well for starters Hourman, Hawkgirl and Dr Fate teleported from the batlle. The other characters left arent even in herald level. The GL isnt even involved in the battle hes off doing something else how can he be around him if hes not in the vicnity.
It still doesnt change the fact in that scan the only people who are they are ordinary people, so we can assume the people who they are talking about are the people in that panel. If you have superheroes there then you would have a point. Hell I bet you there are scans afterwards that show the other heroes acting differently to the ordinary people. I thought the whole point of that panel is to show the people around them and its NOT superheros.
Furthermore common sense indicates that its obvously not refering to the GL, because the GLs can move and fight at FTL speed and Hal Jordon has shown he has the capability of catching ZOOM.
I would assume ven if that GL is not as good as Halh he could defintely keep up with Flashs and BAs speed common sense. The rest of those guys are either street levelers or have slightly enhanced reflexes. The focus on herald level characters is that herald level characters have FTL speed, street levelers do not.
So even if you do include the other heroes you still got nothing.
Originally posted by Juntai
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Damn Juntai. Was your time away from the site spend doing some kind of Rocky style training for more effective pwning of other members? 😉
Originally posted by Avlon
Damn Juntai. Was your time away from the site spend doing some kind of Rocky style training for more effective pwning of other members? 😉
What on earth are you talking about?
Hourman not there.
Dr Fate not there.
Hawkgirl not there.
GL off saving other people. Even if it did include him GLs have moved at fought at FTL speeds before.
Atom Smasher doesnt have superhuman reflexes
Black Canary doesnt have superhuman reflexes.
Star Spangled kid doesnt have superhuman reflexes.
I dont think Sand has superhuman reflexes.
Furthermore according to you when Hank Henshaws says that Superman almost killed me it doesnt mean he almost killed him. It means what you think it is.
It states the people around them and shows them not to be superhuman and even if it did non of the people present have superhuman reflexes.
[QUOTE=10116629]Originally posted by Juntai
In reply to juntai
Points for SUPERMAN
1. Has more feats than the runner. Accepted
2. Has defeated greater opponents than the runner. Im coming to dat
3. A>B>C logic is faulty.Coming to dat as well
4. No Proof runner is more powerful dan him. Partially Accepted
Now here are the points for runner
IN RELATION TO DEFEATING MORE POWERFUL CHARACTERS;
As I have said before superman really has shown himself to be more powerful than most of the characters he has defeated. You used the example of dominus but as i am not an advent dc reader i dont know much about him. I will threfore us a character like darkseid. Superman has defeated darkseid but never in any of those fights has he shown himself to be more powerful than darkseid. I think even the toughest superman fan will say that DS>Supes. As i said earlier circumstances have played a big role in his victories over characters of that level. Now in relation to the runner thanos fight, the major point really is not the fact that the runner lost but is that thanos had to use the time gem to beat him. Prior to the use of the tme gem their was no way in hell that thanos was going to get a hold of the runner and unless their was an interference from an ouside force thanos was going down. The eventual outcome really did not matter in this case as the runner portrayed himself as being powerful enough to if not take thanos give him a real match. Point for runner.
Secondly in the other fight the speed of the runner can be seen as he was fast enough to take surfers board.{ Way out of supermans league).
Yes surfer had gone through two fights but that certainly is not enough reason to assume that he was moving any slower than he would normally as surfer has killer endurance and his speed would be minimally affected if at all affected by it. Also even though the surfer had gone through some fights, the runner being able to over power him is a great feat and it still puts him on a high herald level of strength. Point for runner.
In regards to A>B>C logLet me break this down. If Character A is more powerful than B and if B is more powerful than C then A>B>C. However Character A beating character B does not equal A being more powrful than B therefore A can not be said to be > than B. Therefore If runner is more powerful than thanos then R>T but if superman beats darkseid it does not mean S>D.
Now for the reason the runner wins, HE IS SIMPLY TOO FAST. The runner ran across the universe while Mdragon wa screaming. Superman hs neva conistently been shown to be at this level of speed. Even though the runner does not have enough feats to prive he is stronger or more durable than supes his few feats at least make him comparable in those areas and with his speed that is all that is needed
Seeing as how neither Thanos nor Silver Surfer are regulary displaying the ability to react and move in battle at the speed aproaching that of Superman, Runner being that fast in comparison to them isn't exactly one of the best arguments.
Not to mention that as Juntai pointed out, Thanos and the Runner never got to finish the battle and Surfer wasn't at his best when fighting him.
Really, it's not that hard to grasp.
