Originally posted by kamikz
Uh, Vader would have killed Luke AS A KID, that's what it meant. And it was in a more recent interview that he said Luke was equal to Anakin. If GL decides to change the whole OT, he can and then the old one is un-canon. GL has stated Luke is what Anakin would have become, GET OVER IT!!!And if anyone would be superior it would be Luke. Luke has been taught things from DE Sidious, who had much more superior knowledge than PT/OT Sidious, and Luke has experienced ´the Yuuzhan Vong, which gave him alot of more pure saber skills, and able to reach WHOLE NEW LEVELS of the force, techniques Anakin would never have learned...
that still doesnt beat the fact anakin would surpass luke when GL himself said so, anakin is the chosen 1, he was suppose to become stronger than any1 else, GL said so and that includes luke.
anakin would have gone down a path learning more than sidious and luke could ever lean,
luke in NJO is in no way superior than Anakin,
even sidious himself was afriad of anakin knowing he would surpass everything and killing everything.
do u know what the term most powerful force user means? it means being stronger than ANY1, having same potential doesnt mean havign the same powers or strength, get over it,
and how would you know luke would pass anakin? u dont and u simply assume Luke is stronger in every way,
anakin is a dark side user, he could have mastered anything and surpassed everything DE sidious mastered because he had the most potential, luke had same potential but his power would not surpass anakin,
anakins power is unlimited, look at how fast he grew in power from episode 2-3, if he gone on he would have surpassed every1, killing all his enemies,
every year passes and his power DOUBLES, he can do things luke has never heard of. the force created anakin skywalker. and he can do things far beyond lukes powers.
u dont get it do u he could do things and just about everything if he reached his potential and he learns and masters powers on his own
Originally posted by ESB Vader
that still doesnt beat the fact anakin would surpass luke when GL himself said so, anakin is the chosen 1, he was suppose to become stronger than any1 else, GL said so and that includes luke.
anakin would have gone down a path learning more than sidious and luke could ever lean,luke in NJO is in no way superior than Anakin,
even sidious himself was afriad of anakin knowing he would surpass everything and killing everything.do u know what the term most powerful force user means? it means being stronger than ANY1, having same potential doesnt mean havign the same powers or strength, get over it,
and how would you know luke would pass anakin? u dont and u simply assume Luke is stronger in every way,
anakin is a dark side user, he could have mastered anything and surpassed everything DE sidious mastered because he had the most potential, luke had same potential but his power would not surpass anakin,
anakins power is unlimited, look at how fast he grew in power from episode 2-3, if he gone on he would have surpassed every1, killing all his enemies,every year passes and his power DOUBLES, he can do things luke has never heard of. the force created anakin skywalker. and he can do things far beyond lukes powers.
u dont get it do u he could do things and just about everything if he reached his potential and he learns and masters powers on his own
What the hell. Do you have a problem with reading? Geroge Lucas has said that Luke was exactly what Anakin would have become, Luke was as powerful as Anakin. GET THAT IN YOUR HEAD. It contradicts what Lucas has said earlier, because Lucas can change his mind.....
No, WTF are you talking about? Nowhere does it say the chosen one was suppose to be the most powerful, nowhere. It said that he would bring balance to the force by destroying the sith, NOTHING else. The only fact that he is powerful is that he is concieved by midichlorians, it has nothing to do with him being the chosen one....
Oh so you wanna talk like that huh? Ok, Luke with 6 months of traning surpassed Anakin with 10 years of traning. Luke by Episode 6 could beat Vader, whereas Vader was now a jedi killing machine and had learnt a hell of a lot about the force and improved his swordsmanship. (Although his speed was not the same). In AOTC Anakin had practiced for 10 years, yet Luke with 6 months with not even a real trainer was better than him...
Anakin's power is not unlimited, stop spewing bullshit. Anakin has the same potential as Luke, fact. GL said Luke was what Anakin would have become, fact.
And if we're going by that, Luke had experience, knowledge and techniques which Anakin could never even hear of, like Luke's insta-killing abilities, how Luke with a sweep of his hand destroyed an entire army of droids, how he could remove himself from the force, make himself invisible for the naked eye and invisible in the force, how he could make illusions, how he reached whole new levels in the force, how Luke defeated 5 Slayers whereas one of them was to hard for the second best master in Luke's academy to defeat....
And Luke had already been taught in dark side techniques by a more experienced and powerful Sidious than the one Vader trained under....
Originally posted by kamikz
What the hell. Do you have a problem with reading?
GET THAT IN YOUR HEAD. It contradicts what Lucas has said earlier, because Lucas can change his mind.....No, WTF are you talking about? Nowhere does it say the chosen one was suppose to be the most powerful, nowhere. It said that he would bring balance to the force by destroying the sith, NOTHING else. The only fact that he is powerful is that he is concieved by midichlorians, it has nothing to do with him being the chosen one....
Oh so you wanna talk like that huh? Ok, Luke with 6 months of traning surpassed Anakin with 10 years of traning. Luke by Episode 6 could beat Vader, whereas Vader was now a jedi killing machine and had learnt a hell of a lot about the force and improved his swordsmanship. (Although his speed was not the same). In AOTC Anakin had practiced for 10 years, yet Luke with 6 months with not even a real trainer was better than him...
Anakin's power is not unlimited, stop spewing bullshit. Anakin has the same potential as Luke, fact. GL said Luke was what Anakin would have become, fact.
And if we're going by that, Luke had experience, knowledge and techniques which Anakin could never even hear of, like Luke's insta-killing abilities, how Luke with a sweep of his hand destroyed an entire army of droids, how he could remove himself from the force, make himself invisible for the naked eye and invisible in the force, how he could make illusions, how he reached whole new levels in the force, how Luke defeated 5 Slayers whereas one of them was to hard for the second best master in Luke's academy to defeat....And Luke had already been taught in dark side techniques by a more experienced and powerful Sidious than the one Vader trained under....
simple answers.
herr they are,
luke became what anakin suppose to become right?
that means anakin would have learnt anything and everything luke did thus using his powers to enhance it.
and duh anakin would have expereince by the time NJO arrived he would just be more experienced ur talking like he doesnt have any.
luke did what anakin could do they are equal.
BUT anakin uses rage and hatred thus making him far deadlier than luke,
anakin also wants power and wants total domnation, luke would be his match as he would be lukes match,
but because he is in the darkside it is possible he could replicate sidious force storms. and learn both lightside and dark side techniques.
thats like combining sidious and Luke
well forget some stuff up i said,
Geroge Lucas has said that Luke was exactly what Anakin would have become, Luke was as powerful as Anakin. thats what u said kam, and what is anakin gonna do? sit there allday long on his ass not learning anything? his power grows and lukes does not,
No, because being in the dark side doesn't automatically grant you victory. Luke uses techniques from the dark side, like lightning and so on, and Luke does not hesitate to kill people either when he needs to. Using hate does not grant you a victory, it could be better to stay calm instead.... (Like Anakin never can and Luke can indeed). But they are equal, so we don't need to argue this....
Oh so you wanna talk like that huh? Ok, Luke with 6 months of traning surpassed Anakin with 10 years of traning. Luke by Episode 6 could beat Vader, whereas Vader was now a jedi killing machine and had learnt a hell of a lot about the force and improved his swordsmanship. (Although his speed was not the same). In AOTC Anakin had practiced for 10 years, yet Luke with 6 months with not even a real trainer was better than him...
It may be true that Luke did beat Vader in Episode 6, but I don't think so. Vader wasn't trying to kill Luke, I mean, that's his son! You can see it in Vader's eyes (or at least his helmet) that he only wanted Luke to be his apprentice, not see him dead. I doubt even if how good Luke is that he could beat Darth Vader with only 6 monthes of training. Thats ridiculous.
Originally posted by kamikz
GL has remarked that Luke is as powerful as him.
proof? GL said that luke had the same potential as Anakin,
and anakin has alot more raw power than luke, even sidious knew that anakin would have killed him with no problem had he not sufferedinjuries
on mustafar.
and anakin as the mechanical vader already is strong enough, people underestimate him just because he has metal legs and only half of what he could have become.
that mecha Vader could crush an opponent instantly with force crush and i dont remember which game but he did lightning which appeard around its victim which technically has no defense, he cant do it like luke sidious or dooky does
Originally posted by ESB Vader
proof? GL said that luke had the same potential as Anakin,
and anakin has alot more raw power than luke, even sidious knew that anakin would have killed him with no problem had he not sufferedinjuries
on mustafar.and anakin as the mechanical vader already is strong enough, people underestimate him just because he has metal legs and only half of what he could have become.
that mecha Vader could crush an opponent instantly with force crush and i dont remember which game but he did lightning which appeard around its victim which technically has no defense, he cant do it like luke sidious or dooky does
GL said Luke is what Anakin WOULD HAVE BECOME. Is that so hard to understand? And how is potential and raw power different? If anyone had more raw power, it is Luke. Luke with 6 months or traning defeated Darth Vader, now if this is half of what Anakin would become, then he is NOT EVEN CLOSE to what Luke is by the NJO series. But GL has said they are equal, so that is how it is, stop arguing facts...
Originally posted by kamikz
GL said Luke is what Anakin WOULD HAVE BECOME. Is that so hard to understand? And how is potential and raw power different? If anyone had more raw power, it is Luke. Luke with 6 months or traning defeated Darth Vader, now if this is half of what Anakin would become, then he is NOT EVEN CLOSE to what Luke is by the NJO series. But GL has said they are equal, so that is how it is, stop arguing facts...
He's asking for the actual quote, which I'd like to see, too.
Originally posted by kamikz
GL said Luke is what Anakin WOULD HAVE BECOME. Is that so hard to understand? And how is potential and raw power different? If anyone had more raw power, it is Luke. Luke with 6 months or traning defeated Darth Vader, now if this is half of what Anakin would become, then he is NOT EVEN CLOSE to what Luke is by the NJO series. But GL has said they are equal, so that is how it is, stop arguing facts...
There is more to strength in the force than raw power.