World Religions

Originally posted by Nellinator
Archaeological and cultural. The book of Job is dated by many to before 3600BC because of its style of language and cultural references. Of course, this is difficult to see in the English translation, but it is not so hard in the original Hebrew. Abraham undoubtedly existed and since the Hebrews and Jews are well known for their immaculate genealogies it is safe to assume that he knew the people from which he descended and also that he inherited their religion and faith.

In terms of an actual, datable artifact (that would be a scroll or something of that nature) or simply in the events it portrays? It is one of the problems with trying to date a text without an original copy - the text can deal with events and the like that took place hundreds of even thousands of years ago. And it can create mythos or events or whatever to support itself. The actual book of Job I was under the impression was physically written closer to Babylonian times (or, alternativly, close to the King David.)

Anyway, the Sumerian's were about, with their culture from 5000 BC or even earlier. African tribes for even longer.

Originally posted by Nellinator
Archaeological and cultural. The book of Job is dated by many to before 3600BC because of its style of language and cultural references. Of course, this is difficult to see in the English translation, but it is not so hard in the original Hebrew. Abraham undoubtedly existed and since the Hebrews and Jews are well known for their immaculate genealogies it is safe to assume that he knew the people from which he descended and also that he inherited their religion and faith.

The book of Job is dated post-Exile because of similarities to Ezekiel at least thats what's according to Jewish scholars. And i still fail to see how would Job or any other book in the Bible pre-date Enlil and the Sumerian pantheons.

Originally posted by Templares
The book of Job is dated post-Exile because of similarities to Ezekiel at least thats what's according to Jewish scholars. And i still fail to see how would Job or any other book in the Bible pre-date Enlil and the Sumerian pantheons.

True, true. As it is I am pretty sure scholars view Judaism as being founded (officially) by Moses as an organised religion following the exile, which would put it at 1400 BC TO 1300 BC (since that time frame is the one the events of the exodous could have occured in.) Even in the race to be the first organised religion I think they come second - isn't Hinduism seen as the first? Something like beginning at 1500 BC with links going much farther back?

It seems to come down to faith. Some will think that some manner of Judaeo-Christian faith must have always existed (thanks to the Bible's claims), though historically their are older religions in general (granted, most dead now) and at least one slightly older organised religion.

It would seem historically unlikyly that a monotheistic religion developed so quickly.

The nature spirits >> polytheism makes lots of sense, but to then narrow it down to ONE god, takes guts. But less guts that it takes to go from nature spirits to one god. Its likely almost impossible that Judaism came into existance while entirely preceeding all polytheisms.

Of course, since i consider spirit worship a ancient religion, its practically impossible that Judiasm came before that.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
True, true. As it is I am pretty sure scholars view Judaism as being founded (officially) by Moses as an organised religion following the exile, which would put it at 1400 BC TO 1300 BC (since that time frame is the one the events of the exodous could have occured in.) Even in the race to be the first organised religion I think they come second - isn't Hinduism seen as the first? Something like beginning at 1500 BC with links going much farther back?

It seems to come down to faith. Some will think that some manner of Judaeo-Christian faith must have always existed (thanks to the Bible's claims), though historically their are older religions in general (granted, most dead now) and at least one slightly older organised religion.

Originally posted by Alliance
It would seem historically unlikyly that a monotheistic religion developed so quickly.

The nature spirits >> polytheism makes lots of sense, but to then narrow it down to ONE god, takes guts. But less guts that it takes to go from nature spirits to one god. Its likely almost impossible that Judaism came into existence while entirely preceeding all polytheisms.

Generally I agree. The cultural situations that proved conducive to monotheistic religion were not really available early on. However their are lobbies these days who debate whether the hidden God in Egypt, and the idea of many gods being the aspectual manifestations of God above them (up to the hidden one) being indications of a form of proto-montheism (that, and at least one Egyptian creation myth deals with Ptah using the divine word to bring things into existence - which is significant.)

Of course, since i consider spirit worship a ancient religion, its practically impossible that Judiasm came before that.

I agree.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
http://www.near-death.com/ritch.html

Dr. George Ritchie's near-death experience

"Suddenly I was aware that it was brighter, a lot brighter, than it had been. I stared in astonishment as the brightness increased, coming from nowhere, seeming to shine everywhere at once. All the light bulbs in the ward couldn't give off that much light. All the bulbs in the world couldn't! It was impossibly bright. It was like a million welders' lamps all blazing at once.

"I'm glad I don't have physical eyes at this moment," I thought. "This light would destroy the retina in a tenth of a second."

"No, I corrected myself, not the light. He. He would be too bright to look at."

For now I saw that it was not light but a man who had entered the room, or rather, a man made out of light, though this seemed no more possible to my mind than the incredible intensity of the brightness that made up his form.

The instant I perceived him, a command formed itself in my mind.

"Stand up!"

The words came from inside me, yet they had an authority my mere thoughts had never had. I got to my feet and as I did came the stupendous certainty:

"You are in the presence of the Son of God."

If this was the Son of God, then his name was Jesus. This person was power itself, older than time and yet more modern than anyone I had ever met.

Above all, with that same mysterious inner certainty, I knew that this man loved me. Far more even than power, what emanated from this presence was unconditional love. An astonishing love. A love beyond my wildest imagining. This love knew every unlovable thing about me - the quarrels with my stepmother, my explosive temper, the sex thoughts I could never control, every mean, selfish thought and action since the day I was born - and accepted me just the same. "

One word...

Wow!

Are you blind, seriously? You ignore peoples responses to you and just keep posting, I hate to be an ass on this forum, but you seem like a retard, and we are even bigger retards for arguing with you.

Originally posted by crazy
Are you blind, seriously? You ignore peoples responses to you and just keep posting, I hate to be an ass on this forum, but you seem like a retard, and we are even bigger retards for arguing with you.

You insult me and you follow Muhammed and Allah.

I have never called anyone on this forum a retard (I happen to follow Jesus), is there a correlation?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
You insult me and you follow Muhammed and Allah.

I have never called anyone on this forum a retard (I happen to follow Jesus), is there a correlation?

I am not Muslim, though I do admire the religion, I will not lie about that, I really admired Christianity as well, but ever since I have seen you on these boards, it makes me think twice.

And I love your line of reasoning, cause you THINK I follow Islam, that means all Islamic people are assholes and all Christians are nice and when you think of them, you think of nice wholesome people right?

Well since you love to correlate, lets say I am an agnostic, I may have low patience but at least I try to be open minded and search for the true tuth.

You are Christian and you post lies like the chicktracts when you know they are based on BS and people on this board all know this and have/can prove it easily. You also never research your statements about anything that is not realated to Christianity. See the correlation?

But yea you really are a BSER, and when you can not answer someone, you just ignore them(i.e Lord Urizen and Alliance). Don't forget though I called myself a bigger retard for arguing with you.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Knowing Jesus Christ and having a RELATIONSHIP with God the Father THROUGH Jesus Christ IS NOT a religion.

Semanitcs?

Splitting hairs?

Jesus never used the word religion. The word never once left His mouth. If you can find where Jesus Christ said the word religion (literally, and verbally out of His mouth) then I will leave this site forever.

detective

The word religion is in the Bible (I know this) but Jesus never used it personally. What we saved folk have is fellowship with God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, not religion.

1 Corinthians 1:9
God is faithful, by whom you were called into the fellowship of His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord .

1 John 1:3
that which we have seen and heard we declare to you, that you also may have fellowship with us; and truly our fellowship is with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ .

^ Are you talking to yourself? 😆

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive

Jesus never used the word religion. The word never once left His mouth. If you can find where Jesus Christ said the word religion (literally, and verbally out of His mouth) then I will leave this site forever.

detective

Originally posted by lord xyz
How the **** would you know, is he your friend or something? Did you live at the same time as him and had a chat with him? Or are you just brown-nosing again?

I am probably brownnosing.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I am probably brownnosing.

😆

You know, sometimes you are surprising JIA. Very nice response.

what?

I found it amusing 😉

Originally posted by crazy
I am not Muslim, though I do admire the religion, I will not lie about that, I really admired Christianity as well, but ever since I have seen you on these boards, it makes me think twice.

And I love your line of reasoning, cause you THINK I follow Islam, that means all Islamic people are assholes and all Christians are nice and when you think of them, you think of nice wholesome people right?

Well since you love to correlate, lets say I am an agnostic, I may have low patience but at least I try to be open minded and search for the true tuth.

You are Christian and you post lies like the chicktracts when you know they are based on BS and people on this board all know this and have/can prove it easily. You also never research your statements about anything that is not realated to Christianity. See the correlation?

But yea you really are a BSER, and when you can not answer someone, you just ignore them(i.e Lord Urizen and Alliance). Don't forget though I called myself a bigger retard for arguing with you.

Yeah. He's the most closed minded debator on all these forums, and he stops answering you when he can't attack your points ne longer.

I sort stopped debating with him recently, as of now I just make fun of him 🙂

Originally posted by Regret
😆

You know, sometimes you are surprising JIA. Very nice response.

Thank you.

especially because it wasn't really a compliment.

Originally posted by Alliance
especially because it wasn't really a compliment.

He takes them where he can get them. As long as he doesn't look to deeply at the words... it seems like it will make him happy. Ironic me thinks.