World Religions

Originally posted by Alliance
That was a fabulous conversation. 😐

I was aiming for stupid, since the whole concept is stupid "Muslim nations take away freedoms because they oppress people and stop them believing in whatever they want. Western nations also abuse freedom in a different way - it leads to immorality and perversion."

And as veterans of such debates we all know that when a hardline Christian says that they will be alluding to the big four - divorce, abortion, homosexuality and sometimes religious diversity.

So, ergo, by giving people the right to live their lives the west is actually abusing freedom. I mean WTF?

But I'll accept fabulous.

In some ways, you are correct. The Western abuse of rights is not as bad as many Islamic nations, but there are still glaring issues.

There are only two "religions" (if you could call it that), a religion based on good morals or other "works" and the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ, which is based on grace through faith and what Jesus Christ has already accomplished on humanity's behalf. The first alternative is based on human effort, human righteous acts, human merit, humanity's notion that if they just aren't as bad as the person beside them that they will be alright with God. The other alternative is based on the Bible. That all people are sinners and already condemned to Hell apart from Jesus Christ. That no one is "good" enough to make it to Heaven without faith in Jesus Christ. The first example is based on the fallacy that there are many ways to God in spite of the fact that the Bible says that there is only One Way to God. Jesus Christ made the boldest claim that has ever come from anyone’s mouth. Jesus said, “I am The Way, The Truth, and The Life. No one [let this sink in] comes to the Father [God the Father in Heaven] except through Me. No religious figure (I despise calling Jesus a religious figure, but I have to to make my point) ever said that he/she was the way to God (meaning that he/she is the only way to God). But Jesus Christ did say that He is the only Way to God.

I'm the only way to god.

And I am the only way to Alliance. So send your money to me and I'll see that your prayers are passed on down the chain.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
And I am the only way to Alliance. So send your money to me and I'll see that your prayers are passed on down the chain.

No real comment Samura?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
No real comment Samura?

I find it funny how you harass him for a response, yet you ignore so many other debator's valid arguments....ya bastard 🙄

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I find it funny how you harass him for a response, yet you ignore so many other debator's valid arguments....ya bastard 🙄

Well for one very good reason that I seek Imperial's responses is because he does not resort to contumely towards me as you do ninety-nine and nine tenths percentage of the time. Second, Imperial has shown consistently to be an intrepid, knowledgeable, person who has not once (that can recall) resorted to using contumely, profanity, or the like in conversing with me. If I could I would award Imperial forum member of the quarter. He has comported himself in an exemplary manner since my advent to this site. I know that I have perhaps provoked him (but never intentionally) to curse me out, but he has shown time and time again to be above using that as a recourse when the going got tough. Unlike you U, Imperial knows how to deal with his emotions like a sensible human being. Case in point, did you just call me out my name at the top of this post? Oh, yes, you did (figures).

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Well for one very good reason that I seek Imperial's responses is because he does not resort to contumely towards me as you do ninety-nine and nine tenths percentage of the time. Second, Imperial has shown consistently to be an intrepid, knowledgeable, person who has not once (that can recall) resorted to using contumely, profanity, or the like in conversing with me. If I could I would award Imperial forum member of the quarter. He has comported himself in an exemplary manner since my advent to this site. I know that I have perhaps provoked him (but never intentionally) to curse me out, but he has shown time and time again to be above using that as a recourse when the going got tough. Unlike you U, Imperial knows how to deal with his emotions like a sensible human being. Case in point, did you just call me out my name at the top of this post? Oh, yes, you did (figures).

Okay Buddy...listen up:

I would not diss you so much, if you would actually take the time to READ my arguments, and attack them intelligently INSTEAD of ignoring them, or continously saying " If you don't beleive in Christ, you will burn in Hell"

Other than ADarksidejedi, you happen to be the most ignorant and close minded person on these forums. Yes, I said so....so what ? What are you going to do? Continue your ignorance ? Yes, JIA, prove me right....

If you would ANSWER people's responses with actual logic, instead of ignoring ANY valid point someone makes, people wouldn't disrespect you so much.

You disrespect ME and EVERYONE ELSE as WELL when you ignore anything we have to say that contradicts your point. NEVER have I seen you even infer logic into your point....fine...if ignorance is your weapon, then so be it, but do not accuse me of being disrespecful, when you yourself will make accusations and judgements on other people, but then get stupid when they simply defend themselves and their positions.

You even admitted that you are not here to debate...then why are you here ? No one is listening to you, and you should realize that by now....

In fact....any doubt I had in my mind, as to why I am NO LONGER Christian, is CLARIFIED by your presense here on KMC...I used to wondor if I should go back to being religious...now, because of you, I remember WHY I turned away from it, and am ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN that I will not return to a state of ignorance again...

Thanks 🙂

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Okay Buddy...listen up:

I would not diss you so much, if you would actually take the time to READ my arguments, and attack them intelligently INSTEAD of ignoring them, or continously saying " If you don't beleive in Christ, you will burn in Hell"

Other than ADarksidejedi, you happen to be the most ignorant and close minded person on these forums. Yes, I said so....so what ? What are you going to do? Continue your ignorance ? Yes, JIA, prove me right....

If you would ANSWER people's responses with actual logic, instead of ignoring ANY valid point someone makes, people wouldn't disrespect you so much.

You disrespect ME and EVERYONE ELSE as WELL when you ignore anything we have to say that contradicts your point. NEVER have I seen you even infer logic into your point....fine...if ignorance is your weapon, then so be it, but do not accuse me of being disrespecful, when you yourself will make accusations and judgements on other people, but then get stupid when they simply defend themselves and their positions.

You even admitted that you are not here to debate...then why are you here ? No one is listening to you, and you should realize that by now....

In fact....any doubt I had in my mind, as to why I am NO LONGER Christian, is CLARIFIED by your presense here on KMC...I used to wondor if I should go back to being religious...now, because of you, I remember WHY I turned away from it, and am ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN that I will not return to a state of ignorance again...

Thanks 🙂

I have already explained to you why I ignore your posts.

Also, guilt trips are not effective against me (i.e. they don't work). I feel no regret or guilt about your decision to turn your back on Jesus Christ. Although I do feel compassion for you and I will continue to intercede for your salvation as well the salvation of everyone on and off this forum.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Well for one very good reason that I seek Imperial's responses is because he does not resort to contumely towards me as you do ninety-nine and nine tenths percentage of the time. Second, Imperial has shown consistently to be an intrepid, knowledgeable, person who has not once (that can recall) resorted to using contumely, profanity, or the like in conversing with me. If I could I would award Imperial forum member of the quarter. He has comported himself in an exemplary manner since my advent to this site. I know that I have perhaps provoked him (but never intentionally) to curse me out, but he has shown time and time again to be above using that as a recourse when the going got tough. Unlike you U, Imperial knows how to deal with his emotions like a sensible human being. Case in point, did you just call me out my name at the top of this post? Oh, yes, you did (figures).

Why thank you. We might not see eye to eye but I accept you complement with good grace.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Why thank you. We might not see eye to eye but I accept you complement with good grace.

It is a sincere, and well-deserved characterization. You are welcome.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Well for one very good reason that I seek Imperial's responses is because he does not resort to contumely towards me as you do ninety-nine and nine tenths percentage of the time. Second, Imperial has shown consistently to be an intrepid, knowledgeable, person who has not once (that can recall) resorted to using contumely, profanity, or the like in conversing with me. If I could I would award Imperial forum member of the quarter. He has comported himself in an exemplary manner since my advent to this site. I know that I have perhaps provoked him (but never intentionally) to curse me out, but he has shown time and time again to be above using that as a recourse when the going got tough. Unlike you U, Imperial knows how to deal with his emotions like a sensible human being. Case in point, did you just call me out my name at the top of this post? Oh, yes, you did (figures).

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Well for one very good reason that I seek Imperial's responses is because he does not resort to contumely towards me as you do ninety-nine and nine tenths percentage of the time. Second, Imperial has shown consistently to be an intrepid, knowledgeable, person who has not once (that can recall) resorted to using contumely, profanity, or the like in conversing with me. If I could I would award Imperial forum member of the quarter. He has comported himself in an exemplary manner since my advent to this site. I know that I have perhaps provoked him (but never intentionally) to curse me out, but he has shown time and time again to be above using that as a recourse when the going got tough. Unlike you U, Imperial knows how to deal with his emotions like a sensible human being. Case in point, did you just call me out my name at the top of this post? Oh, yes, you did (figures).

What your problem is, is that you have no hard time dishing out "contumely," but when someone gives it back to you, you ignore them. Thats not very Christian-like is it?

You say Imperial has good logic, yet you consistantly say that he is wrong. THAT is a contradiction.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Okay Buddy...listen up:

I would not diss you so much, if you would actually take the time to READ my arguments, and attack them intelligently INSTEAD of ignoring them, or continously saying " If you don't beleive in Christ, you will burn in Hell"

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Other than ADarksidejedi, you happen to be the most ignorant and close minded person on these forums. Yes, I said so....so what ? What are you going to do? Continue your ignorance ? Yes, JIA, prove me right....

Originally posted by Alliance
You say Imperial has good logic, yet you consistantly say that he is wrong. THAT is a contradiction.

Logic only fails when another logic becomes better.

Logic can lead to more than one end, but until someone's elses logic proves his wrong, he is the most correct.

Originally posted by Alliance
Logic only fails when another logic becomes better.

Logic can lead to more than one end, but until someone's elses logic proves his wrong, he is the most correct.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I have already explained to you why I ignore your posts.

Also, guilt trips are not effective against me (i.e. they don't work). I feel no regret or guilt about your decision to turn your back on Jesus Christ. Although I do feel compassion for you and I will continue to intercede for your salvation as well the salvation of everyone on and off this forum.

You happen to be the hugest hypocrit on these forums as well...

You will cry over the fact that I am disrespectful to you, but then call debators like Debbeijo and Shaky "Anti-Christs" as well as labelling me a "Child of Satan"

And then you get offended when I label you ignorant, stupid, blind, etc?

You have STRAIGHT OUT called Shaky a liar, and on top of that you continue to ignore valid points with the excuse of "you are disrespectful to me, so i wont debate with you, even though i disrespect YOU just as much"

After the disrespect you show us, don't fkn act like the Innocent Lamb, okay? The whole "I'm a poor little persecuted Christian" bit is getting QUITE OLD. ✅

P.S. You cannot successfully "intercede for my salvation" if you continue to ram meaningless random drivel down my throat, and ignore every question I come up with. ❌

Originally posted by Nellinator
Not really. He is either correct or isn't. Logic does not determine that.

No. Sometimes the answer is not known. This is when logic is most useful to get the best working model of a situation.