Originally posted by charlemagne9746
However, I will grant you this. If the cannon could knock back the Tribunal...it would knock back AM. AM would just come back from it though...it would only be a temporary nuisance.....and the AM wouldn't get blasted a second time. He would eliminate that cannon either by going back in time or staying at a distance and destroying it.
I won't argue with that.
Remeber though I also Have Reed with the Ultimate Nullifier. (which can erase then re-create the Multi-verse in the blink of an eye.
or Reed can drop a bunch of Universal Big Bang Explosions on their heads:
Reed can harness the Big Bang of a Universe..and use it as a weapon
What can I say...respect Reed Richards.
Post-retcon Molecule Man can also tear Reality apart.
"to rend the Life Force of such a being as the Beyonder"
"Havoc unthinkable would be wrecked across Multiversal Cosmography"
Kubik begs POST-retcon Molecule Man, not to destroy the Multiverse, and save the life of Kosmos (Post-retcon Beyonder)
The thing is....would they be able to utilize those powers against AM. I think AM could destroy the planet before Marvel Earth has a chance to get a plan formulated...or to realize what in the hell it is that is attacking them..lol. Imperiex drones would destroy many many Marvel heroes. I don't think Reed could stand up to a single one of those drones..just by himself. In any case....Reed would be between a rock and a hardplace....trying to survive against the imperiex probes...and setting up to fire the UN or cannon.
We have to realize how powerful Imperiex Prime is in this battle. He destroyed Doomsday with a single blast....effortlessly. Hulk, Wolverine, and most anyone else on Marvel Earth will be destroyed by that kind of blast also. How would the rest of Marvel Earth deal with Imperiex and how would they deal with a huge blast of anti-matter entering the earth's atmosphere...courtesy of AM.
Originally posted by charlemagne9746
The thing is....would they be able to utilize those powers against AM. I think AM could destroy the planet before Marvel Earth has a chance to get a plan formulated...or to realize what in the hell it is that is attacking them..lol.
If comics worked that way, then every evil neo-omnipotent being or entity would destroy Earth and it's heroes.
In comics, the heroes always get a chance (prep)
Originally posted by charlemagne9746
Imperiex drones would destroy many many Marvel heroes. I don't think Reed could stand up to a single one of those drones..just by himself.
Because you keep forgetting Reed is NOT alone.
Originally posted by charlemagne9746
In any case....Reed would be between a rock and a hardplace....trying to survive against the imperiex probes...and setting up to fire the UN or cannon.
Good thing he's not alone, so he doesn't have to multi-task so much.
Originally posted by charlemagne9746
We have to realize how powerful Imperiex Prime is in this battle. He destroyed Doomsday with a single blast....effortlessly.
Doomsday is a joke compare to the heavy hitters I'm throwing at you.
Originally posted by charlemagne9746
Hulk, Wolverine, and most anyone else on Marvel Earth will be destroyed by that kind of blast also.
Hulk, Wolverine, yes.
Most anyone else on Marvel Earth, no.
Originally posted by charlemagne9746
How would the rest of Marvel Earth deal with Imperiex and how would they deal with a huge blast of anti-matter entering the earth's atmosphere...courtesy of AM.
Molecule Man (who can destory the Multi-verse) can shield us, and direct it back at AM.
Insane Genis-Vell can re-write Marvel Earth so that never happened.
Franklyn Richards can help out there.
While Jim Jaspers (nearly re-wrote the entire Omni-verse) handles Imperiex.
In the meantime Reed is busy dropping Universal Big Bang explosions on his head, or pressing the Nullifier button repeatedly,
shattering and reshaping the Multi-verse countless times over while AM and Imperiex are both in it.
Ok, that could happen. Let's say AM and Imperiex get the drop on Reed Richards though....they remove the UN and destroy the cannon. AM blasts and knocks out Molecule Man before he can put a shield up...these are all plausible scenarios. An anti-matter blast breaks through and hits the Earth. How does Marvel Earth react to that.
By the way...I'm not familiar with the uber powerful characters that you mentioned on Marvel Earth..except Molecule Man....i'm more of a DC fan..as you can tell..lol. However, if those characters can do as you mentioned...then it is possible that AM could be driven back....i'm not sure if the UN could eliminate him from the Source however.
You haven't mentioned much about the gods of Marvel Earth though...such as Odin and Zeus....also, Surter and Ymir. If Surter llit the twilight sword, do you think that would do any damage..to Imperiex? Let's put Atem in this as well...Gaea calls her son in to help battle this threat to Marvel Earth....how do you see Atum faring in the battle?
If this battle ever happened in comics...it would be in a multi-issue deal..lol...so, the UN wouldn't be used at the beginning of the fight..for dramatic purposes...lol.
Originally posted by charlemagne9746do you even know what a battle is?
Ok, that could happen. Let's say AM and Imperiex get the drop on Reed Richards though....they remove the UN and destroy the cannon. AM blasts and knocks out Molecule Man before he can put a shield up...these are all plausible scenarios. An anti-matter blast breaks through and hits the Earth. How does Marvel Earth react to that.By the way...I'm not familiar with the uber powerful characters that you mentioned on Marvel Earth..except Molecule Man....i'm more of a DC fan..as you can tell..lol. However, if those characters can do as you mentioned...then it is possible that AM could be driven back....i'm not sure if the UN could eliminate him from the Source however.
You haven't mentioned much about the gods of Marvel Earth though...such as Odin and Zeus....also, Surter and Ymir. If Surter llit the twilight sword, do you think that would do any damage..to Imperiex? Let's put Atem in this as well...Gaea calls her son in to help battle this threat to Marvel Earth....how do you see Atum faring in the battle?
If this battle ever happened in comics...it would be in a multi-issue deal..lol...so, the UN wouldn't be used at the beginning of the fight..for dramatic purposes...lol.
Originally posted by charlemagne9746It's versus Earth characters. Odin and Zues and the others don't wander around on Earth.
Ok, that could happen. Let's say AM and Imperiex get the drop on Reed Richards though....they remove the UN and destroy the cannon. AM blasts and knocks out Molecule Man before he can put a shield up...these are all plausible scenarios. An anti-matter blast breaks through and hits the Earth. How does Marvel Earth react to that.By the way...I'm not familiar with the uber powerful characters that you mentioned on Marvel Earth..except Molecule Man....i'm more of a DC fan..as you can tell..lol. However, if those characters can do as you mentioned...then it is possible that AM could be driven back....i'm not sure if the UN could eliminate him from the Source however.
You haven't mentioned much about the gods of Marvel Earth though...such as Odin and Zeus....also, Surter and Ymir. If Surter llit the twilight sword, do you think that would do any damage..to Imperiex? Let's put Atem in this as well...Gaea calls her son in to help battle this threat to Marvel Earth....how do you see Atum faring in the battle?
If this battle ever happened in comics...it would be in a multi-issue deal..lol...so, the UN wouldn't be used at the beginning of the fight..for dramatic purposes...lol.
Originally posted by bigbranIts not just a random battle, its an invasion. Antimonitor covers the Earth in darkness, 90% of heros die in the first few moments to AMs shadows, and Imperiex Probes.
do you even know what a battle is?
there not going to get the drop on reed, because there not going to know what hes doing. they'll be fighting people like hulk and stuff and then out of nowhere boom.
yes, a perfect battle involves strategy. You would not just invade another planet or whatever without having some kind of strategy...without knowing what your opponent's abilities are. If the AM and Imperiex invaded Marvel....they would know what their enemies are capable of. Come on..they are abstract class entities....their genious is well above human standards...they would know what marvel earth is capable of...and the weapons that the heroes and villains possess. They would have marvel earth well scouted.
And I'm sure AM and Imperiex would know exactly where Reed Richards is....even Odin and Zeus show some sings of omniscience...and this DC duo is above them...so, you do the math.
Originally posted by Juntai
Its not just a random battle, its an invasion. Antimonitor covers the Earth in darkness, 90% of heros die in the first few moments to AMs shadows, and Imperiex Probes.
It's likely the F4 as high profile heros will be among this.
So prep for the cosmic bad guys and survival for the heroes?
At least give the Earth forces some time to put up a strategy. Atleast 2 to 3 days. No prep = which Earth beings survive the longest. It's not really a fight then.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKingI agree with it just being who survived longest in that situation, but I didn't make the thread/set the invasion scenario.
So prep for the cosmic bad guys and survival for the heroes?At least give the Earth forces some time to put up a strategy. Atleast 2 to 3 days. No prep = which Earth beings survive the longest. It's not really a fight then.
Even without Anti-Monitor's shadows and Imperiex probes will take out most of the higher profile heros and villains early. I doubt Reed would be making too much of an impact given the terms.
Ok...how about his scenario. The AM and Imperiex Prime surprise Marvel Earth in an attack. However, the DC duo does not want to destroy Marvel Earth....just enslave it. So, they eliminate all threatening weapons, such as UN and Reed's cannon....which will happen if AM and Imperiex had them scouted. Most of the population is allowed to run free....for they can do nothing anyway....but, the high powered threats are kept guarded by Imperiex Probes. Under enslavement....which would give Marvel Earth an unlimited amount of time to prep for a rebellion, could they come up with a way to rebel and drive the DC invaders away? The telepaths can communicate without being face to face...and the others can think of a way to destroy the imperiex probe guarding their cell.
In this scenario...I'll take away the advantage that AM and Imperiex Prime would probably have of knowing when an Imperiex Probe is destroyed....seeing that both of them probably have some form of omniscience. But, the time limit of destroying the probe and Imperiex and AM being alerted of its destruction is 12 hours. So, in essence...you can have weeks or years of prep time before the escape....and 12 hours to implement the plan after escape....could it be done?
Originally posted by charlemagne9746
the DC duo does not want to destroy Marvel Earth....just enslave it. So, they eliminate all threatening weapons, such as UN and Reed's cannon....which will happen if AM and Imperiex had them scouted.
Only the Watcher knows exactly where the UN is.
And the 3 alternate versions of the Human Torch from seperate Universes, each having a piece of the location in their memories.
Cosmic awareness isn't going to help you find it either
Neither is trying to force the directions out of Johnny.
The Super Canon on the other hand, I suppose they could find it.
Originally posted by charlemagne9746
Most of the population is allowed to run free....for they can do nothing anyway....but, the high powered threats are kept guarded by Imperiex Probes. Under enslavement....
The Imperiex Probes can destroy Galaxies.
"Ripping galaxies apart, bending the Laws of nature at Whim...That's easy stuff"
And this is the weak version, Evil Molecule Man is unimaginably more powerful than Owen Reece.
Yet Owen Reece is:
One of the Most powerful beings in the Universe.
Originally posted by charlemagne9746
which would give Marvel Earth an unlimited amount of time to prep for a rebellion, could they come up with a way to rebel and drive the DC invaders away? The telepaths can communicate without being face to face...
If you give Doom and Reed "unlimited prep"...it would be too easy for Earth.
We only need ONE day.
Originally posted by charlemagne9746
and the others can think of a way to destroy the imperiex probe guarding their cell.
I got members on my team that can re-arrange the Universe. (Insane Genis-Vell), (crazy Wanda), (Mkraan Crystal, if the Lattice is breached by Jean)
To name a few.
Originally posted by charlemagne9746
I'll take away the advantage that AM and Imperiex Prime would probably have of knowing when an Imperiex Probe is destroyed....
The power of those Probes is Galactic in scale.
They will be blinked out of existence
Jim, Owen, Genis or Wanda, heck even the Phoenix Force can toast those Probes.
Originally posted by charlemagne9746
But, the time limit of destroying the probe and Imperiex and AM being alerted of its destruction is 12 hours.
The Probes will be vanquised with little to no effort.
Originally posted by charlemagne9746
So, in essence...you can have weeks or years of prep time before the escape....and 12 hours to implement the plan after escape....could it be done?
One day prep,
and Reed and company can find the UN, just like they did during the Abraxas arc.
After it's used, the rest of my team plus Marvel Earth heroes villians will take over from there.
Re: Anti-Monitor and Imperiex Prime vs Marvel Earth
Originally posted by charlemagne9746
You have every Marvel earthbound hero and villain...hell, even through in all the Heralds.
So you have all Earthbound hero and villains... and all heralds..
So um... I have the answer.
Heralds. Offhand. Redshift, Terrax, Morg, Surfer, Superman, Thor, Airwalker, Nova, Invisible Man, Firelord....
All earthbound hero's and villains. Well back in the 20th century, the United States and Russia began a space race... where we began to go up into orbit. Now even the simplest human can fly into space, as denoted by the Blackbird and Quinjet. So no humans or mutants are earthbound anymore.. they choose to be on earth... but they are no longer forced to be there. IE. The Hulk being catapulted through space to planet Hulk.
When Imperiex and Antimonitor get to earth they find it completely evacuated except for the Heralds of Galactus.
The big 2 win!
Remember if you're "strong" you can probably levitate or fly, hence, you're not earthbound. Earth dies. Yayyyyyy. 💃 😆
