Anti-Monitor and Imperiex Prime vs Marvel Earth

Originally posted by Juntai
No, she said it PERHAPS would. She obviously doesn't know, or it would have been a "WILL" do it.

I understand that....understand this.

"the Chaos Wave will continue to expand, perhaps to the Ascention itself"

I corrected myself and clarified that

The Ascention, is Outside/Beyond the Omni-verse.

So the Chaos Wave will collapse the Omni-verse (every Universe Marvel has), and "perhaps the Ascention itself"...

That's what she said.

Originally posted by Juntai
What are you talking about?
I was laughing at you claiming to responded to a post that came at a later date, because you can see the future.

😂

Originally posted by Juntai
Did that future happen?
Guess she's another false visionary.

Uhh.. yea it did,
but they sealed the breach and stopped the Chaos Wave from consuming the Omni-verse.

Her vision was of what the Chaos Wave was capable of.

Originally posted by Juntai
No, I'm saying I don't see how changing the history of Marvel Universe is going to change the history of someone merely impeding on the universe. Of course they can attack eachother.

Cool.

So if they can attack each other AM loses the same way he lost in DC.

Reed will weaken him with the UN.

Then we have the team I posted before...

We have Jim Jaspers (Omniversal threat)

We have Scarlet Witch (Omniversal threat and "perhaps beyond"😉

We have Evil Molecule Man (Multi-versal threat)

Insane Genis-Vell (Universal threat)

We have Jean Grey PF (Universal threat),

We have Reed's Big Bang Bomb (Universal destroyer)
or his Super Canon that momentarily banished LT and some Cosmics

And we have Dr Doom (with prep took the power of the writers) - (pre-retcon Beyonder)

every god and demon of Earth

and every hero and villian on Earth

And I've already said my piece on all that. Nothing new.

And aren't several of those characters not existing currently and/or not currently at those levels?

seriously half of those characters have had their power retconned away.Dr Doom took the power of a fake omnipotent. Jean Grey is an abstract far away from Earth. Molecule man has been retconned away.Scarlet Witch is dead. the Super Cannon is in an alternate universe and therefore isn't even usable or canon and none of the others are close to as powerful as AM. plus all AM has to do is destroy imperiex and let the energy of him destroy MU whilst absorbing the remainder that is coming at him. that all he has to do. they wouldn't have time. Marvel Earth is powerful but they'd need someone of LT's power to defeat AM and Imperiex. and

Originally posted by Juntai
And I've already said my piece on all that. Nothing new.

Likewise.

Originally posted by Juntai
And aren't several of those characters not existing currently and/or not currently at those levels?

Didn't know the Anti-Monitor was still around.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Likewise.

Didn't know the Anti-Monitor was still around.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
seriously half of those characters have had their power retconned away.

Seriously, you need to read more comics.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
Dr Doom took the power of a fake omnipotent.

Dr Doom took the power of the most powerful being ever created by Marvel.

Pre-retcon Beyonder.

To this day, EVEN AFTER being Retconned, his death would Collapse the Multi-verse.
"to rend the Life Force of such a being as the Beyonder"
"Havoc unthinkable would be wrecked across Multiversal Cosmography"

That's Kubik talking about POST-Retcon Beyonder.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
Jean Grey is an abstract far away from Earth.

hum

Originally posted by Superherovandal
Molecule man has been retconned away.

Into one of the most powerful beings in the Universe as passive Owen Reece.

This is still just the gentle side.

"Ripping galaxies apart, bending the Laws of nature at Whim...That's easy stuff"

But if Owen Reece get's pissed, he becomes Evil Molecule Man, who destroy the Multi-verse.
Owen Reece (POST-Molecule Man)...becomes Evil Molecule Man

When Evil Molecule Man battled POST-Retcon Beyonder, they were collapsing the Multi-verse

"from the Quantum to the Trans-Multiversal, Reality trembles as the forces unleashed reverberate through out creation"

Realize how ALL Reality is falling apart because of them, (both are POST-Retcon).
A WATCHER even goes blind in another Universe.

Kubik BEGS the Molecule Man to not allow the Post-Retcon Beyonder to die, which would bring forth the END of Reality

Originally posted by Superherovandal
Scarlet Witch is dead.

So is Anti-Monitor.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
the Super Cannon is in an alternate universe and therefore isn't even usable or canon

"alternate universe"?

Please read the comic, then post.

Who said it isn't canon?

Originally posted by Superherovandal
and none of the others are close to as powerful as AM.

If you say so.

You left out my most powerful hitters,

Jim Jaspers, was able to warp the Omni-verse (Every Universe in Marvel)

After Reed weakens the AM with the Nullifier

Insane-Genis (can destroy or warp Universes)

Reed can continue to drop Universal Big Bang explosions on both their heads.

Doom (nuff said)

Every god and demon of Earth
and every hero and villian on Earth

There... no Jean or Super Canon.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
Marvel Earth is powerful but they'd need someone of LT's power to defeat AM and Imperiex. and

And evidently MUCH more powerful than you ever knew.

Who's to say that AM can't just absorb the energy of Reed's cannon...making AM even stronger.

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
Who's to say that AM can't just absorb the energy of Reed's cannon...making AM even stronger.

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
Who's to say that AM can't just absorb the energy of Reed's cannon...making AM even stronger.

Because that's exactly what Reed's Super Canon does.

It's specially designed for Cosmic beings...like AM.

It wouldn't affect all cosmic beings. It wouldn't affect TOAA, the Presence, pre-retconned Brothers, etc....it may or may not affect Anti-Monitor. In any event, AM would likely eliminate any threat such as the cannon before it actually gets used.

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
It wouldn't affect all cosmic beings. It wouldn't affect TOAA, the Presence, pre-retconned Brothers, etc....it may or may not affect Anti-Monitor. In any event, AM would likely eliminate any threat such as the cannon before it actually gets used.

This isn't a battle between TOAA, the Presence, pre-retconned Brothers and Marvel Earth.

It's between AM and Marvel Earth.

But in any case you think it can't affect the big dogs?

Reed's super canon, created a feedback of cosmic proportions that blew back everyone into other Universes.

Living Tribunal...and 6 Cosmics were the ones getting blown away.

Scarlet witch isn't dead maybe powerless but not dead.

Originally posted by Mr Master
This isn't a battle between TOAA, the Presence, pre-retconned Brothers and Marvel Earth.

It's between AM and Marvel Earth.

But in any case you think it can't affect the big dogs?

Reed's super canon, created a feedback of cosmic proportions that blew back everyone into other Universes.

Living Tribunal...and 6 Cosmics were the ones getting blown away.

I think that is just bad writing....Reed, being just a human, could never create something to blow away near omnipotent beings. On a power scale...AM>>>>>Reed Richards. AM could destroy Marvel Earth before Reed Richards knew what was going on....or could even get up...get dressed...drive to where the cannon is...and fire it. By the time Reed even got there the battle would be over.

I don't recall Marvel Earth getting prep.

Out of curiousity, do you think that Reed's cannon could hurt TOAA or the Presence?

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
I think that is just bad writing....Reed, being just a human, could never create something to blow away near omnipotent beings.

If that's what your arguement is based on, this debate is dead.

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
Out of curiousity, do you think that Reed's cannon could hurt TOAA or the Presence?

However, I will grant you this. If the cannon could knock back the Tribunal...it would knock back AM. AM would just come back from it though...it would only be a temporary nuisance.....and the AM wouldn't get blasted a second time. He would eliminate that cannon either by going back in time or staying at a distance and destroying it.

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
Out of curiousity, do you think that Reed's cannon could hurt TOAA or the Presence?

You will never see TOAA in action, I don't know about the Presence.

But no.

I sincerely doubt it would work on either of them.

TOAA & Presence >>>>>>>>Marvel Earth, Universe, Multiverse