Originally posted by ShakyamunisonWell the opposite of something CAN ALSO BE Nothing... 🙂
So because it does not have a meaning, it does not have an opposite?
There are polaries, positive and negative ions, negative and positive forces, negative and positive numbers, negative and positive energies, such as nuclear reactors, ...split an atom....negative and positive emotions ( to some degree), .....see?
This is why some ancient faiths never wanted to devolve in the negative. Because things are also circular. Possibly negative and positive dimensions.........It's a whole new science based on older known beliefs.
Originally posted by §P0oONY
🤨I just said something that doesn't have an opposite in the post you quoted... And you have yet to come up with any solid evidence to denounce my claims
And what does things being random have to do with anything?
I most certainly did not say anything of the sort.
I said ''which things in your view do not have an opposite''. I do not share the same view as you.
And things being random have everything to do with it. If you say, certain things have opposite, and certain things do not, then there has to be a pattern of things which have and those which do not have an opposite.
What group does not have opposites? occurances, things, ideas?
Giving me an example of a grape or piano does not constitute as an answer.
Originally posted by Deano
everything is everything. no opposites
Sure, everything is everything. I don't deny this view.
Opposites, in a sense which I was trying to argue,are of the same nature, differing in a degree.
For example, night and day are exactly the same occurances, but they differ in a degree. One is dependent of the other.
You wouldn't know one, without the other.
Hot and cold are the same occurances, but again different in a degree. You can't know one, without the other.
Everything has its extreme - an extreme of both sides.
Its this whole argument of duality within the universe. Polarity law.
Positive and negative.
It's not so much categories such as ideas, or what have you. It's more about the creation of artificial paradigms in which a given value within the set is placed at a distance from a posited zero point, whereby the thing at a similar distance in the other direction is regarded as its opposite.
If you think of hot and cold, they're both just states with a given amount of heat. From a completely detached analysis, they're just positions on a scale.
However, humans know certain temperatures as hot, and certain temperatures as cold. These two phenomena have been aligned as opposites due to the sensory experiences of humans. It's nothing to do with metaphysics or abstraction.
It also doesn't matter which particular temperature is hot, or which is cold- only that the sensations or effects are understood to be opposites.
Rich and poor similarly. It doesn't matter what each human considers as an amount constituting richness- only that they acknowledge the idea as a surfeit of money, and its counterpoint example as a dearth of money.
Opposites only within a strict, created structure.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I meant metaphysics' theory in a 'duality' kind of way. Aristotle mentioned relative opposites, and I believe he gave an example of a tree.This is a philosophical argument, and I keep an open mind or both ways, although I heavely lean towards the idea of duality.
I wasn't attacking use of metaphysics, though I was saying that it is being used to shade over less explicable areas in this thread.
So what do you actually contend, then?
Something either has a polar opposite, or if not, just anything?
A non- that thing?
Saying "It's nothing to do with metaphysics" is nonsense, VVD. It's everything to do with metaphysics. It's on a scale, yes, but only if your belief in the underlying metaphysic of the Universe is modern day science.
Which is entirely reasonable, of course, but it gets a bit different in Philosophy. The underlying metaphysic of dualism is different, and there, hot and cold are indeed direct opposites.