rotiartLast seen version of Beyonder.. Post Retcon was still multiversal level...
Now. Pre-Retcon.....
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Post Retcon is not multiverse level. He's not even universal, maybe pocket universe.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The anti monitor was powerful enough to collapse billions of universes. Only the spectre had the power to stop him. So yeah, The spectre when backed by the presence, is much more powerful than any version of the beyonder. The anti-monitor killed Billions of Universes. and the spectre stopped him in his tracks.
No he didn't. Collapsing billions of universes?
Spectre backed by Presence? Then what's with that circle of DC mystics that surrounded him and was powering him up when he was struggling with Anti-Monitor. Surely such a being backed by DC's GOD Presence would be enough against Anti-Monitor. Unless we're to assume that Anti-Montior is Presence's equal, so the mystics help was needed as well.
Pre-Retcon Beyonder beats the snot out of Spectre. Post Retcon loses full powered Spectre.
Originally posted by Skeets
What are you talking about?
God is Supreme it can't be replaced.Spectre's a part of the supreme Being he's the Logoz.
Beyonder in Marvel, I am everything in this Mutli-verse.
http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyonderisrealitydw2.jpg
And he wasent a part of it in the 1st place.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
DC vs Marvel #1:
God is everything, one with the entire Mutli-verse, bonded to it.Beyonder in Marvel, I am everything in this Mutli-verse.
http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyonderisrealitydw2.jpgAnd he wasent a part of it in the 1st place.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
🙁Post Retcon is not multiverse level. He's not even universal, maybe pocket universe.
No he didn't. Collapsing billions of universes?
Spectre backed by Presence? Then what's with that circle of DC mystics that surrounded him and was powering him up when he was struggling with Anti-Monitor. Surely such a being backed by DC's GOD Presence would be enough against Anti-Monitor. Unless we're to assume that Anti-Montior is Presence's equal, so the mystics help was needed as well.
Pre-Retcon Beyonder beats the snot out of Spectre. Post Retcon loses full powered Spectre.
A) Anti Monitor was drawing on far more power, having nearly 5 universes worth of heros, and grew in power as his antimatter realm overtook the infinite number of matter universes.
B) Spectre still won. Recreated reality. Banished the Anti-Monitor. And sapped him of most all of his energy.
C) It's PIS that Anti-Monitor wasn't confronted by Spectre far earlier than he could have attained that level of power... but they made up for it by making Corrigan be punished by God for allowing it to happen.
And just to add.... yea', Anti-Monitor drawing on all the power he was, was trying to replace The Presence as the creator. Or did you not read that part, or are just choosing to forget it?
He was definately approaching omnipotent.
But surely as Spectre and the heros overcame him, he is not The Presence's equal, but yeah.. he was about as close as it gets.
Originally posted by Juntai
And just to add.... yea', Anti-Monitor drawing on all the power he was, was trying to replace The Presence as the creator. Or did you not read that part, or are just choosing to forget it?
He was definately approaching omnipotent.
But surely as Spectre and the heros overcame him, he is not The Presence's equal, but yeah.. he was about as close as it gets.
He wasn't ever going to get that far. It was explained by Zuriel that the presence isn't even that concerned about people challenging his power. Becuz in the end,it would never happen. It has never happened, and it will never happen. The presence uses minions to save the universe and we never even get to see him. He is so far above anything that the anti monitor or classic beyonder can do. IN his wrealm, he would just create and army of Spectres and be done with any incursion he sees fit to deal with. Sometimes he may let stuff happen for the hell of it, and then reverse it all. The DC presence is beyond any scope of cosmic being trying to muss with his stuff. It will NEVER happen. No one will ever go to DC and replace the presence,
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlYou don't have to tell me anything. I own Paradise Lost [Mark Millar story yay!] where he said that to Azmodel when he tried to invade The Presence's throne room...In fact, I've pointed out that exact moment many times on the forum to the uneducated.
He wasn't ever going to get that far. It was explained by Zuriel that the presence isn't even that concerned about people challenging his power. Becuz in the end,it would never happen. It has never happened, and it will never happen. The presence uses minions to save the universe and we never even get to see him. He is so far above anything that the anti monitor or classic beyonder can do. IN his wrealth, he would just create and army of Spectres and be done with any incursion he sees fit to deal with. Sometimes he may let stuff happen for the hell of it, and then reverse it all. The DC presence is beyond any scope of cosmic being trying to muss with his stuff. It will NEVER happen. No one will ever go to DC and replace the presence,
He already has an army of Spectre's, read Spectre volume 4. 😉
Originally posted by galan7777777
i didnt say he was LT, but at full power he's around the same level as LT
NO, at full power, the Spectre is waay beyond LT. At full power, the Spectre is the wrath of GOD himself. Basically he's like God's SHot Gun. Or Uzi. There is such a difference. At full power, he would be as might as God himself becuz in essence, he would be God's anger.
Originally posted by galan7777777Says who?
i didnt say he was LT, but at full power he's around the same level as LT
You should try making a comparison between Spectre and not LT, to the Beyonder, which is where your opinion was based. Which is a bad idea altogether.
