Originally posted by JuntaiI'm used to that around here. He at least has not resorted to insulting anyone, so there is no reason not to continue discussion.
Don't bother, he's not one to intellectually debate with. He thought Beyonder could take on The Presence with only a small portion of his power, and win. He hasn't proved anything and has issue after issue, fact after fact, thrown in his face, but maintains that he's right and everyone else is speculating.
:no2:
characters including avatars make claims they can't back all the time.
Hey did you know that thor claims to be a God too? and has claimed to be a god ever since he debuted?
No, the fact that he is the one above all the others in Marvel makes him the one above all the others in marvel...
being the one above all others is more than just a name/title. It's a description.
... TOAA = being created by Jim Starlin.
God on the other hand might be a better term to use.
So much for your tittle.
Not really. its technically impossible for the head of the Marvel company to actually appear in the book. the best he can hope for is an avatar... Which would still not be TOAA.
Including Jack kirby who claimed to be God or whatever?
The writers aren't part of Marvel?
The editors change what is there, and allow only certain things to happen. Get it? What the editors don't like the writers cannot write. And if they do, it doesn't happen.
Sure it does if you're going to be talking about who has power in the business.
Originally posted by Creshosk
you haven't answered all of your challenges. So no you haven't.you were challenged first.
So have you. So please don't make yourself out to be a hypocrite as well.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUbtw, TGEB was a Vertigo tale. Not DC. Wow, throws your whole post out of the window. lol.
He took over the entire Marvel Multi-verse with no struggle at all...
The only evidence we have to show Presence power is to show TGEB's power, which wasent that impressive at all... seriously when it come to Omni-potence DC lacks...
And if Presence is the Head of DC or whatever you might call him.
Why did he have truble with his evil side? -- I mean Presence shouldent have any trouble with anything, right?
And as far as Vertigo goes-- everything is still going according to Yahweh's plan. You'd know that if you read the comics, and didn't just speculate on them.
Originally posted by Juntai
btw, TGEB was a Vertigo tale. Not DC. Wow, throws your whole post out of the window. lol.And as far as Vertigo goes-- everything is still going according to Yahweh's plan. You'd know that if you read the comics, and didn't just speculate on them.
Besides if you look at the other beings like Lucifer... Did he have to study to make a universe?
There would be at least 10 Marvel beings that can do it without struggle or studdying.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU*points to title of the thread*
Than why do you use him as a character...?
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUDo you mean the reinforced positive with that double negative or is this an unintentional slip?
Yeah but what stopped the Head of Marvel from not Producing it?
Dont that have 100% control?
Producing what is the other question I have.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUThat be treading into a more philisophical area that I have been avoiding.
Yeah, but I though you knew that there is a difference between "a god" and "The God" (usely spelled with a capital G)
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUThe company.. which controls the universe by the way.
Marvel company or Marvel universe?
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUNo, I think that that is treading into areas that I'm not interestied in treading.
... TOAA = being created by Jim Starlin.quote] Care to prove that? Besides, I thought it was pretty clear that I was using it as a description.[QUOTE=7166869]Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
God on the other hand might be a better term to use.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTURead again: DESCRIPTION
So much for your tittle.
Main Entry: de·scrip·tion
Pronunciation: di-'skrip-sh&n
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English descripcioun, from Anglo-French & Latin; Anglo-French, from Latin description-, descriptio, from describere
1 a : an act of describing; specifically : discourse intended to give a mental image of something experienced b : a descriptive statement or account
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUFirst off you have to understand what an avatar is.. that might help you seperate reality from fantasy:
Yeah what would this avatar do? Comand the writer to do as he says?
Main Entry: av·a·tar
Pronunciation: 'a-v&-"tär
Function: noun
Etymology: Sanskrit avatArah descent, from avatarati he descends, from ava- away + tarati he crosses over -- more at UKASE, THROUGH
1 : the incarnation of a Hindu deity (as Vishnu)
2 a : an incarnation in human form b : an embodiment (as of a concept or philosophy) often in a person
3 : a variant phase or version of a continuing basic entity
4 : an electronic image that represents and is manipulated by a computer user (as in a computer game)
The avatar is the embodiment of the writer in the comics.
Which again is not the most powerful person/people in Marvel
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUHaving no real power within the company, but for all his PR work is thought to be otherwise...
Jack Kirby is like Stan Lee one of Marvel's orgins.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUKirby was a writer... and no they were still not god. They took orders and were contstrained by their bosses... again this lack of business knowledge shows up.
Which made the writers god, by Kirby's will.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU...
But this is a comicbook forum...
Comic books are a business... in case you didn't know...
The presence and Yahweh are different sides of the same being who rule all of the DC multiverses. It's no different than our psyches having different interpretations. THe only difference is that God is so omnipotent, any facet of himself thus becomes almost and omnipotent being in it's own right. This is why any creation directly coming from God is so powerful. Human beings are not even a direct creation of God. God used his voice, the very first of his creations, to make man. thus man had near God like ability. ( before the fall). God is not psychotic so much as he is so vast, that all of reality reflects himself. So he even has differnt realities with in the DC omniverse that reflects his majesty in different ways. In the end, he is always the greatest power. Becuz the entire plan is written and done before it has begun. He never humiliates himself. He may have it written that way for some purpose, and we may be allowed the revealation or we may not. Omnipotence is never challenged. How can it be?
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUEverything goes according to Yahweh's plan. Read the comics instead of speculating on them.
Vertigo is a part of DC.
Was it Yahweh's plan to humilitate himslef? To show that he had a equal? That he wasent the greatest power alone?Besides if you look at the other beings like Lucifer... Did he have to study to make a universe?
There would be at least 10 Marvel beings that can do it without struggle or studdying.
Vertigo is a DC company, but is not considered to be part of DC continuity, regardless of how close some tales match. For example, Vertigo has no Hell anymore... Where do you think Etrigan, and Neron and others are from??
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
For she exist in a plane outside this poor reality?
The Death they were talking too wasent the one from 616-universe, if even the Multi-verse.
Thanos didnt know what he was doing, havent you read the series?
WHAT?! Mistress Death from the 616 universe is the Death that Thanos is in love with! She's the Death that he's been obsessed with his entire life. If it were Death from another Mult-verse, her finally speaking and then kissing him would have been meaningless to the story. She wasn't touched because she wasn't present at the fight and her domain exist outside of space and time(which is what he absorbed).
Yes I have read the series and your right on the point of his not knowing what he was doing. He was angry beyond rational, which is why he didn't absorb absolutely EVERYTHING. He left the realm of Mistress Death and Atleza both of which exist outside of space and time(they both the exist outside of conventional reality, notice that Thanos says he absorbs all of space and time, NOT all of reality).
So what's your point?
*points to title of the thread*
Do you mean the reinforced positive with that double negative or is this an unintentional slip?
That be treading into a more philisophical area that I have been avoiding.
The company.. which controls the universe by the way.
Care to Prove it
No, I think that that is treading into areas that I'm not interestied in treading.
Read again: DESCRIPTIONMain Entry: de·scrip·tion
Pronunciation: di-'skrip-sh&n
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English descripcioun, from Anglo-French & Latin; Anglo-French, from Latin description-, descriptio, from describere
1 a : an act of describing; specifically : discourse intended to give a mental image of something experienced b : a descriptive statement or account
First off you have to understand what an avatar is.. that might help you seperate reality from fantasy:Main Entry: av·a·tar
Pronunciation: 'a-v&-"tär
Function: noun
Etymology: Sanskrit avatArah descent, from avatarati he descends, from ava- away + tarati he crosses over -- more at UKASE, THROUGH
1 : the incarnation of a Hindu deity (as Vishnu)
2 a : an incarnation in human form b : an embodiment (as of a concept or philosophy) often in a person
3 : a variant phase or version of a continuing basic entity
4 : an electronic image that represents and is manipulated by a computer user (as in a computer game)
The avatar is the embodiment of the writer in the comics.
Which again is not the most powerful person/people in Marvel
Add -company... which isnt proven to be connected to the Marvel universe in the way you claim in any way.
Having no real power within the company, but for all his PR work is thought to be otherwise...
Kirby was a writer... and no they were still not god. They took orders and were contstrained by their bosses... again this lack of business knowledge shows up.
Action > statements >> speculation
A unwriten rule...
Comic books are a business... in case you didn't know... [/B]
By the way, where did you aquire this "knowledge" of yours about Marvel company being God?
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The presence and Yahweh are different sides of the same being who rule all of the DC multiverses. It's no different than our psyches having different interpretations. THe only difference is that God is so omnipotent, any facet of himself thus becomes almost and omnipotent being in it's own right. This is why any creation directly coming from God is so powerful. Human beings are not even a direct creation of God. God used his voice, the very first of his creations, to make man. thus man had near God like ability. ( before the fall). God is not psychotic so much as he is so vast, that all of reality reflects himself. So he even has differnt realities with in the DC omniverse that reflects his majesty in different ways. In the end, he is always the greatest power. Becuz the entire plan is written and done before it has begun. He never humiliates himself. He may have it written that way for some purpose, and we may be allowed the revealation or we may not. Omnipotence is never challenged. How can it be?
Yet this is nothing but speculation, which keeps you on your level.
Originally posted by darthgoober
WHAT?! Mistress Death from the 616 universe is the Death that Thanos is in love with! She's the Death that he's been obsessed with his entire life. If it were Death from another Mult-verse, her finally speaking and then kissing him would have been meaningless to the story. She wasn't touched because she wasn't present at the fight and her domain exist outside of space and time(which is what he absorbed).Yes I have read the series and your right on the point of his not knowing what he was doing. He was angry beyond rational, which is why he didn't absorb absolutely EVERYTHING. He left the realm of Mistress Death and Atleza both of which exist outside of space and time(they both the exist outside of conventional reality, notice that Thanos says he absorbs all of space and time, NOT all of reality).
So what's your point?
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
If as you say, no one have proven anyhing...
Why don't you be the first, I mean you cannot prove anything by just speculating.
Wrong! It has been proven on panel, that Thanos with the POWER(but not omniscience) of TOAA could take out the Living Tribunal and everybody else who opposed him.
The Beyonder on the other hand has been proven to be able to destroy Multi-Death which is a much lesser feat. Unless you can come up with an ON PANEL feat that tops that, you can't reasonably say that the Beyonder is more powerful than TOAA.
You see, we can speculate and go around in circles forever about what they COULD be capable of, but why bother when the power of TOAA has has shown a greater feat than the Beyonder's best showing?
Originally posted by Juntai
Everything goes according to Yahweh's plan. Read the comics instead of speculating on them.Vertigo is a DC company, but is not considered to be part of DC continuity, regardless of how close some tales match. For example, Vertigo has no Hell anymore... Where do you think Etrigan, and Neron and others are from??
If the presence simply wills the Beyonder not to have powers, that's simply what happens.
He had no problem pulling that on Asmodel after he nearly conquered heaven itself.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUWhy? did you not notice that two other comic book characters in this discussion?
But it isnt a comic character so if that is so, this thread should be closed...
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUinstead of assuming I answered the way you wanted me to answer could you not be intentionally deceitful and answer my question?
So they don't have 100% control after all...
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUBecause I want to avoid the real world religon discussion I'm ignorant?
Plain [B]ignorance [/b]
uhh... yeah... because I'm working off of no knowledge?
No no, I'm working off of the knowledge about how frequently real world religous debates can really sour things.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUThe company isn't part of that which they created...
Yes but they arent a part of it.
and you had the audacity to call me ignorant.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUYeah that's a description... Not a name. Not a title. De-Script-ion
First time TOAA was mentioned
http://img461.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ltorderswl0iy.jpg
In Starlin's IG series...
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUNo, I'm trying to comunicate with someone.. which is failing horribly because they're not understanding what I'm saying.
Are you trying to look smart or something?
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUIt has everything to do with it. I was using a description. You called my description a title. It was not. I was not calling him that. I was describing him as that.
This have nothing to do with what you just quoted.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUTOAA is a fan name for a DESCRIPTION.
I said that TOAA wasent a proper name for God, since it's not been along for that long.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUyes agian, since you obviously had no idea what an avatar was I had to tell you.
Again...
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUThen why were youusing the term incorrectly if you knew it?
Yes, teacher... (we already knew this)
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUYeah, you're a schizophrenic allright.
Add -company... which isnt proven to be connected to the Marvel universe in the way you claim in any way.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUSee how stupid it sounds? So why not instead have them look up to Stan Lee?
Yeah, kidds really look up to some guys sitting in their suit and debating 24/7
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUStatments can be false you know.
But he stated it.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUNo no.
Action > statements >> speculation
Statements without action are speculation. Statments with action are evidenced.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUSo you mean its speculation then.
A unwriten rule...
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUWhy would they need to?
Yes, but the company have never claimed anything about being God.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUSchizophrenic...
Just Kirby have and that's why God is connected to the writers in Marvel.
By the way, where did you aquire this "knowledge" of yours about Marvel company being God? [/B][/QUOTE]
Wrong! It has been proven on panel, that Thanos with the POWER(but not omniscience) of TOAA could take out the Living Tribunal and everybody else who opposed him.
The Beyonder on the other hand has been proven to be able to destroy Multi-Death which is a much lesser feat. Unless you can come up with an ON PANEL feat that tops that, you can't reasonably say that the Beyonder is more powerful than TOAA.
You see, we can speculate and go around in circles forever about what they COULD be capable of, but why bother when the power of TOAA has has shown a greater feat than the Beyonder's best showing?
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
If the presence simply wills the Beyonder not to have powers, that's simply what happens.He had no problem pulling that on Asmodel after he nearly conquered heaven itself.
