Beyonder vs The Presence, Yahweh, TOAA.

Started by Creshosk17 pages

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Well Thaos with TOAA's power did not take out Death...
Dude's in love with her, and even jealously cursed a guy to not die so that he couldn'tbe with death...

So much to Thanos's dismay he didn't take out death... on a date.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Well Thaos with TOAA's power did not take out Death...

He wasn't trying to. Just look, Warlock says "There's another you overlooked". She wasn't there pissing him off so he didn't think about it.

B]Or maybe since we have differing opinions about TOAA

(I say that its not a name that was ever given to the entity that you refer to, inthe comics and merely a description. and later the name was given to him by fans)


So does this make the one above all a fictional character or a real person?

Beyonder or TOAA?

The one above all.

Jack Kirby was not God... and here you go again mixing two seperate veiws that you wish us to hold.

He said he was... Fantastic four isse remember?
You are mixing it up, the God you're refering to is a writer.
You only taken a lot of bull...

Oooooor.... the one above all has never shown himself in the comics other than avatarial and TOAA is actually refering to the editor-in-cheif- or majority stockholder of marvel or whoever it is that calls the shots within marvel...

P-r-o-v-e--i-t--i-f--y-o-u--c-a-n-.

Sijnce you know, they'ed be the ones to decide what does and does not

No, the writers are the once dealing with the details, the author is the one that makes the story... The stock holders makes the money...

Originally posted by darthgoober
He wasn't trying to. Just look, Warlock says "There's another you overlooked". She wasn't there pissing him off so he didn't think about it.

For she exist in a plane outside this poor reality?
The Death they were talking too wasent the one from 616-universe, if even the Multi-verse.
Thanos didnt know what he was doing, havent you read the series?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Dude's in love with her, and even jealously cursed a guy to not die so that he couldn'tbe with death...

So much to Thanos's dismay he didn't take out death... on a date.


Yeah and he had a crush on Adam too... 😆

righttttttttt anyway umm is there a megaverse and if so who controlls it?

TOAA supposedly. He's head of Marvel. Whether that means multiverse or megaverse.. who's to say.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
So does this make the one above all a fictional character or a real person?
in my opinion it refers to the real person who can make any of the characters in marvel his playthings. and can make them do whatever he wants them to do.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
The one above all.
So how does that fit in with who I see as being TOAA?

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
He said he was... Fantastic four isse remember?
Then he's a delusional prick just as much as Hyperion or.. the beyonder.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
You are mixing it up, the God you're refering to is a writer.

Calling yourself God, does not make you God.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
You only taken a lot of bull...
I've taken quite a bit of bull from you... what's your point?

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
P-r-o-v-e--i-t--i-f--y-o-u--c-a-n-.
Can't prove a negative.. the burden of proof is on your shoulders to show that he has shown up in the comics...

The brother doesn't count by the way since he was retconned someone else was above him.. he was just an avatar.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
No, the writers are the once dealing with the details, the author is the one that makes the story... The stock holders makes the money...
The stock holders tell the prsdident what they like and don't like or they replace him. The president tells the editor in cheif what the stockholders want, the editor in cheif hires editors who hire the writers who are limited to doing what the editor in cheif allows them to.

The Writers only have as much freedom as their editors allow them. What the editor doesn't like never happens. What the editor in cheif doesn't like doesn't happen.

You have like no real grasp on how a publication business works do you?

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
For she exist in a plane outside this poor reality?
The Death they were talking too wasent the one from 616-universe, if even the Multi-verse.
Thanos didnt know what he was doing, havent you read the series?
Thanos wasn't Omnisceint?

Oh that's right he had TOAA's power and not the knowledge right?

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Yeah and he had a crush on Adam too... 😆
Your point is... what exactly?

Originally posted by Mider999
righttttttttt anyway umm is there a megaverse and if so who controlls it?
I think that's what they've been refering to as the marvel omniverse...

The omniverse includes all of marvel's worlds, all of DC's worlds and the real world... after all if it doesn't include all the verses, its not an omniverse.

Originally posted by Mider999
righttttttttt anyway umm is there a megaverse and if so who controlls it?

Well it's not really a part of Marvel, but still a part of it.
For example:
The Universe is often refered to the 616-universe, the rest(-or at least most) are all just what-if realties.
The Multi-verse they are in works the same. But there is no real What-if Multiverses.
The Mega-verse is just there too fill it.
Mega-verse (minus) the Multiverse are often called the Ultra-verse.
And it's really not a part of Marvel since there havent been anything about it. Is more like parallel dimentions that suports the others.
The Mega-verse is infinite, and there as an example: Spider-man and Hulk don't exist.

Originally posted by rotiart
TOAA supposedly. He's head of Marvel. Whether that means multiverse or megaverse.. who's to say.

Again P R O V E I T !

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Again P R O V E I T !
Sorry, buddy, but until you answer any of the previous challenges to prove your claims you raally have no place to challenge others to prove theirs.

So lets get to answering those shall we?

in my opinion it refers to the real person who can make any of the characters in marvel his playthings. and can make them do whatever he wants them to do.

So he isnt really a character in Marvel...

So how does that fit in with who I see as being TOAA?

You've just admitted that it isnt a being in Marvel.

Then he's a delusional prick just as much as Hyperion or.. the beyonder.

He was the one that say he was God, even in a comic book and it was produced.
He later claimed the the writers are God.

Calling yourself God, does not make you God.

Calling someone TOAA, which havent even been stated or proven, dont make you TOAA either.

Can't prove a negative.. the burden of proof is on your shoulders to show that he has shown up in the comics...

So its all speculation...

The brother doesn't count by the way since he was retconned someone else was above him.. he was just an avatar.

Yeah... the Writers which isnt a part of Marvel Universe.

The stock holders tell the prsdident what they like and don't like or they replace him. The president tells the editor in cheif what the stockholders want, the editor in cheif hires editors who hire the writers who are limited to doing what the editor in cheif allows them to.

Yeah I bet that there is a million stockholders out there sitting isolated in their room making up Marvel stories...

The Writers only have as much freedom as their editors allow them. What the editor doesn't like never happens. What the editor in cheif doesn't like doesn't happen.

The editor edit, not create.

You have like no real grasp on how a publication business works do you?

Well a smal, but that doenst really matter does it?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Sorry, buddy, but until you answer any of the previous challenges to prove your claims you raally have no place to challenge others to prove theirs.

So lets get to answering those shall we?


I've been proving stuff from the begining... You just havent bought it.
But yet, none of you have proved anything... Just been speculating..

Originally posted by Creshosk
Sorry, buddy, but until you answer any of the previous challenges to prove your claims you raally have no place to challenge others to prove theirs.

So lets get to answering those shall we?

Don't bother, he's not one to intellectually debate with. He thought Beyonder could take on The Presence with only a small portion of his power, and win. He hasn't proved anything and has issue after issue, fact after fact, thrown in his face, but maintains that he's right and everyone else is speculating.

Thanos wasn't Omnisceint?

With the superior being possessing him, I think so...

Oh that's right he had TOAA's power and not the knowledge right?

He was possessed by "TOAA", so he didnt control himself.

Your point is... what exactly?

Adam survived as well...

I think that's what they've been refering to as the marvel omniverse...

Yeah, pretty much.
But they can't call it Omni-verse.
So the Mega-verse is basicly all of Marvel.

The omniverse includes all of marvel's worlds, all of DC's worlds and the real world... after all if it doesn't include all the verses, its not an omniverse.

Yeah e know...

Originally posted by Juntai
Don't bother, he's not one to intellectually debate with. He thought Beyonder could take on The Presence with only a small portion of his power, and win. He hasn't proved anything and has issue after issue, fact after fact, thrown in his face, but maintains that he's right and everyone else is speculating.

He took over the entire Marvel Multi-verse with no struggle at all...
The only evidence we have to show Presence power is to show TGEB's power, which wasent that impressive at all... seriously when it come to Omni-potence DC lacks...
And if Presence is the Head of DC or whatever you might call him.
Why did he have truble with his evil side? -- I mean Presence shouldent have any trouble with anything, right?

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
He took over the entire Marvel Multi-verse with no struggle at all...
The only evidence we have to show Presence power is to show TGEB's power, which wasent that impressive at all... seriously when it come to Omni-potence DC lacks...
And if Presence is the Head of DC or whatever you might call him.
Why did he have truble with his evil side? -- I mean Presence shouldent have any trouble with anything, right?
😄 😄

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
So he isnt really a character in Marvel...
:no2:

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
You've just admitted that it isnt a being in Marvel.
Hence my asking.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
He was the one that say he was God, even in a comic book and it was produced.
characters including avatars make claims they can't back all the time.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
He later claimed the the writers are God.
So he contradicted himself...

Hey did you know that thor claims to be a God too? and has claimed to be a god ever since he debuted?

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Calling someone TOAA, which havent even been stated or proven, dont make you TOAA either.
No, the fact that he is the one above all the others in Marvel makes him the one above all the others in marvel...

being the one above all others is more than just a name/title. It's a description.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
So its all speculation...
Not really. its technically impossible for the head of the Marvel company to actually appear in the book. the best he can hope for is an avatar... Which would still not be TOAA.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Yeah... the Writers which isnt a part of Marvel Universe.

Including Jack kirby who claimed to be God or whatever?
The writers aren't part of Marvel?

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Yeah I bet that there is a million stockholders out there sitting isolated in their room making up Marvel stories...
Try to comprehend what I said with a valid conclusion. Then try responding again with something valid that shows you comprehended what I said.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
The editor edit, not create.
The editors change what is there, and allow only certain things to happen. Get it? What the editors don't like the writers cannot write. And if they do, it doesn't happen.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Well a smal, but that doenst really matter does it?
Sure it does if you're going to be talking about who has power in the business.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
I've been proving stuff from the begining...
you haven't answered all of your challenges. So no you haven't.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
You just havent bought it.
you were challenged first.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
But yet, none of you have proved anything... Just been speculating..
So have you. So please don't make yourself out to be a hypocrite as well.