Originally posted by Basti0nBeen there, done that, I'm still recovering. . . from my experiences.
LOL who even cares anymore? This is almost 15 pages of useless dribble now. Get a life, its just a couple of comic book characters. Its not the end of the world.Go outside, discover what natural light feels like, There's something called sex you can have which I have the feeling youd like if you tried it.
Originally posted by Basti0n
LOL who even cares anymore? This is almost 15 pages of useless dribble now. Get a life, its just a couple of comic book characters. Its not the end of the world.Go outside, discover what natural light feels like, There's something called sex you can have which I have the feeling youd like if you tried it.
This is coming from the guy who wanted to know about what sex with Pheonix would be like and if it's like sticking your dick into a volcano.
Originally posted by Basti0nNo he didn't, I did.
LOL thats wrong? You've spent 15 pages arguing which fictional character would beat the other one. The reason i posted those comments is to show how non-sensical this has become.You need to go outside and meet people and take the first step in developing a real grown up persons life.
I have. it's not like I live in my parents basement. . . but I am still recovering from a failed realtionship . . .
Yeah cause whenever anyone first gains the phoenix power they never talk about being one with everything.
And then they get beat up by some other being claiming the same thing, or infinite power, all powerful, omnipotence.
Also if there's no energy source for creation to draw from, how can there be anything to power it? if there's nothing to fuel a power how can there be a power of creation then?
There is energy source. But to say it's the Phoenix Force is not proof. There's different sources of power throughout the MU. The Power Cosmic, the Enigma Force, the Quantum Zone energy, Cube energy, the Odin Force, the Essence, the Phoenix Force, and others that you or I have yet to read. There's a difference between the energy that makes up these and the Phoenix Force. The Force or sentience source that is the PF is totally different from these other powers I listed. There hasn't been any mention of the PF being the power that fuels creation, that are the underlining power of these other powers. This original source of all these power is linked to it's creator, TOAA.
More times than you'd care to admit.
This is a funny one since I'm looking for a number and your giving me a variable.
of course not. JEan has a pet nickname for one of TOAA's body parts, why would any of the other abstracts refer to the same body part as that name?
LOL. Jean has a nickname for TOAA's body parts? Then I guess the Living Tribunal is TOAA's conciousness and Multiverse Eternity is TOAA's the rest of TOAA's body.
The Phoenix Force is the Phoenix Force. This power/force/entity/cosmic has been called the Phoenix Force by abstracts and others times over. Eternity, Stranger, Feron, Necron, Merlin, Dr. Strange, Prosh, the Shi'Ar, and Eon. Jean isn't the one that named it. Nor has any of the these beings ever mentioned it as related to TOAA.
Jean is the one who first used the term Phoenix Force. Why would Eternity explain or use a name that Jean came up with?
Because if the Force was responsible for the abstracts creation, Eternity would have said it when it was talking to Jean. Instead he referred to it as the Ressurection Force, then went on to talk about the Celestials, Galactus, and humanity. He made no big deal about the Ressurection Force/Phoenix Force. Never stated it was his creator. He knows what this Force and so do many others. They've all refered to it as the Phoenix Force. Why? Feron shaped this force into the form of a Phoenix. And so this Force took that shape, the form of the Phoenix.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
In your obtuse little veiw I can see how that could be valid...
In other words you have nothing to counter this. I see.
You know I'm just going to be repeating myself a bunch through this pointing out the existence of Synonyms, nicknames and asking why someone else would use a nickname that someone else came up with. And you still haven't disloged this theory.
It's in the form of a Phoenix. What would you have anyone calling it? It's not a pet name. That's the name that writers and characters refer to this entity/cosmic/force or whatever have you. Are we to assume that every time a universe is brought up, it's refering to Eternity? That universe Magus created didn't have it's own Eternity, which is ironic since the entire saga is about dopplergangers.
And Marvel's own site once mentioned captain america running at something like 75 mph... They've put up a bit of a wiki on their site for the fans to maintain. No telling how frequently its checked by any of the people who work for marvel.
That's not the same thing. Power level is a funny thing and happens alot. Even characters strength level is up for debate. That's why you don't see me pointing to power bars and trying to deabte that.
Origins is much more accurate. If they had said Captain America was Ron Alberto who got his powers from immursing in the terrain mist and his arch enemies include the Punisher, the Juggernaut, the Mandrin, and the Green Goblin, then I'd agree with you and toss out bios. But origins and events are accurate in most bios.
Let's check these events and origins:
LT is the Judge of the Multiverse and serves TOAA? True: Kubik, Watcher, Warlock, Eternity, the Infinity Well, and others acknowledge this.
LT has three faces? True
LT guards the Multiverse? True again
Eternity is the embodiment of the universe and time? True: Mentioned multiple times by every cosmic.
Galactus is the world Devourer and a savivor of the previous universe: True: Multiple beings and a few depictions of him being saved from the previous universe by Eternity.
Phoenix Force's former host includes Rachel, Jean, Amber, Giraud? True
PF was shaped by Feron? True
PF healed the M'Krann crystal? True again.
PF was pulled into the Ultraverse? True again.
If that bio says Steve Roger is Captain America, a super soldier created to fight the Nazi, his main arch enemies include Baron Zemo and the Red Skull: how can you dismiss this bio? Strength, intelligence, agility, and all those gauging an ability has always been incurate. Origins come from the comics, events come from comics. What's so inaccurate? Would you dismiss bio infos such as LT serving TOAA or Phoenix being shaped by Feron?
The messurment of the passage of time is a fairly man made thing...
Actually it's not. Time means nothing to cosmics but even they acknowledge it. The Celestials journey to planets on an evolutionary basis, which is runs in measurements of time. They gave the gods of Earth thousands of years before they judged Earth. Everything runs by time.
So you don't like the idea of refering to the big bang as the Phoenix Force?
Every big bang is not the PF. That's like saying every universe is Eternity. Eternity is the embodiment of the universe. But I wouldn't say that every universe is called Eternity or 616.
I have no idea how many times you've said this, and I have no idea how many times I've responded to this with the same thing that I usually say.But I'll say this again: a Rose by anyother name...
This is where we disagree. Your saying that every big bang is the Phoenix Force which isn't true. Not every big bang is the PF.
So until you can tell me concretly what it is, can you concretly tell me everything that it's not?
I can tell you what it's not because everything that deals with the Phoenix Force does not refer to what your saying.
What your saying is that the Phoenix Force IS the Force of Creation, the Source of power for the everything, the spark of Creation, the Big Bang, the creator of the abstracts, the source of power for the fiery form that appears to Jean Grey. And that this force is TOAA's power.
What I'm telling you is that's not true. There's no indication that every big bang in the multiverse, past and present is the power called the Phoenix Force. I've looked at all the scans provided in this board, books I have, bios, and post in other forums regarding the MU. None of which on any character, not just the PF, refers to what your saying. It's not referred to as the creator of the MU, creator of the abstracts, TOAA's power, or even close to the Living Tribunal in power.
Hence my insistence that the phoenix force has been a name given to things other than a sentient character
The PF is the PF. What it represents and where it's place in the hierarchy is a mystery. Again, Eternity is the universe or represents it. But he's not every universe, nor does every universe have an Eternity.
And if speculation is all we have then isn't all you have against it just speculation as well?
No. I disagree with the fact that the abstracts were created by the Phoenix Force. This is based on the lack of any thing at all that indicates the PF created the abstracts. You can bring up any bio or comic you'd like to prove me wrong.
Unless they feel it's a given. Humans don't alway talk about blood. But you can't tell me that blood isn't important to a human.
That's not the same thing. A creator of the MU or the abstracts is truly powerful and would be recognized by writers and Marvel editors. The source of power that fuels the universe is not worth mentioning, but it's "birth between voids" and Jean Grey being it's main host is? And unlike other cosmics, the PF has been featured as much as Galactus. Yet they mention Galactus as the scientist named Galan from and previous universe, but some how they don't mention PF being creator of the abstracts in any bio?
blah blah blah... *yawns* I really am just wasting my time. I'm trying to find a workable theory to answer some of the unexplained and all you are interested in in your holier than thou full of yourself way is lecturing.
Which is a collosal waste of time because I really don't care sor any of this since as you said before its all speculation.
Originally posted by CreshoskAnti-Moniter wins?
blah blah blah... *yawns* I really am just wasting my time. I'm trying to find a workable theory to answer some of the unexplained and all you are interested in in your holier than thou full of yourself way is lecturing.Which is a collosal waste of time because I really don't care sor any of this since as you said before its all speculation.
Originally posted by Creshosk
[B][ You want me to prove to you that MRIs are harmless...How exactly do you want me to do that?
Like this?:
http://www.med.umich.edu/rad/preps/outpt/radmri.htmBut the example you are giving is invalid.
How did he klill her? EMP? Not good enough. It's like using Spiderman versus firelord in a spiderman argument. or an anti firelord argument.
And this shows that what you're trying to prove is irrealivent unless you have some strategy where Anti-monitor is going to manipulate Dark Phoenix's emotions...
He doesn't have to. He can straight out beat her.
The inclusion of Giraud's energy she'd doubt onto the validity of this evidence as a stand alone of killing a phoenix... without phoenix energy...
What inclusion are you talking about. This is before Giraud and the others channeled it through Strange. There was no inclusion when Dormammu kicked Giraud's butt.
So you're just openly attacking a character that you know that another board member likes for nor reason other than some personal crusade against the character?That be trolling.
Where did I say any of this again? Whose trolling again? I addressed Bastion's comments regarding Dark Phoenix being the same as every other version. You came and started calling it Red Herring. Your the one trolling.
As opposed to show all the downfall and none of the glory? You're as bad as the stubbornest fools in the Spiderman versus Wolverine thread who insist on showing nothing but the bad showings of the other character regardless of how feesable they are...
You who can't even get his stories right is calling me stubborn? I don't know who you met in that thread, but your the one whose lacking knowledge of the PF and the Marvel Universe.
because its the same thing as showing nothing but the highest showings of your own character regardless of how stupid they are.
Id say the most powerful form was the white crown avatar... not the greensuited avatar...
You decided to show these others in defense of continuity of the Magneto event.
I decided to show it when I was addressing Bastion. You came along starting implying that I was Red Herring. Jeeze, my entire argument is on every level to show different writters perspective on the character.
I'm pointing out that they are so dissimilar that the magneto event is not justified by the inclusion of this evidence.
I pointed this out to you already. I'm showing you that the Phoenix host and the Force can be hurt.
None of which justify the one event that you are trying so hard to defend.
The bonds between the molecules are held together by an electromagnetic force. He should technicallyt be able to manipulate other maters as well. However that takes the focused concentration and continual pull that an EMP would fail to do. and again, you're still desperatly struggling to defend this one event.
Metal is particularly suceptable to magnetic control.
The brain however not being made out of metal . . .
Which its not.
The brain and the rest of the body has iron in the blood. Magneto's held people in place using his magnetism to control the iron in there blood. He jamed Jean's psionic powers with his electro-magnetic powers and held every X-Men in place: Bishop, Storm, Canon Ball, Jean, Cyclops, Gambit, Beast, Archangel, Jubliee, Quicksilver, Polaris, and Colossus. And that's still not mentioning the X-Force and X-Factor members attending Illayana's funeral. They all couldn't use their powers, except Bishop whose absorption powers are automatic. This is all in Fatal Attractions, Uncanny X-Men 304.
Jean in, New X-Men 149, was having a planetary stroke and grasping her chest. He was messing with her bodily functions and giving her a stroke. Be in denial if you'd like.
Originally posted by Basti0n
LOL thats wrong? You've spent 15 pages arguing which fictional character would beat the other one. The reason i posted those comments is to show how non-sensical this has become.You need to go outside and meet people and take the first step in developing a real grown up persons life.
Wow. You are not that smart, are you? I haven't argued whatsoever about who-beats-who. Don't need to either. It's my thread.
Wasnt refferring exclusively to you:
LOL thats wrong? You've spent 15 pages arguing which fictional character would beat the other one. The reason i posted those comments is to show how non-sensical this has become.
You need to go outside and meet people and take the first step in developing a real grown up persons life.
Originally posted by Basti0n
Wasnt refferring exclusively to you:
LOL thats wrong? You've spent 15 pages arguing which fictional character would beat the other one. The reason i posted those comments is to show how non-sensical this has become.You need to go outside and meet people and take the first step in developing a real grown up persons life.
If you don't like the replies, just leave. If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen. 🙄