Anti Moniter vs. Dark Pheonix

Started by Jesse724 pages

I come here and find this name calling and accusing of Mr. M, is that really neccisary or for that matter mature? To report him to the mods for so called "trolling"? I have yet to this day see Mr. M troll, so as to exactly why your calling him one I do not know.

As for the current debate at hand between the Anti-Monitor and Dark Phoenix, I don't really see how this is a debate when the AM clearly beats DP in every category; power, kill score, destruction caused, etc.

If you think the DF is superior to the AM why don't you provide scans showing so, because I have seen the scans of phoenix feats, and her two greatest feats to this day were repairing the M krystal (which she couldn't do on her own by the way), and secondly repairing a wounded universe.

The phoenix force in general has never done anything trully multiversal nor has she ever shown the power to be able to destroy the Universe.

And in response to those who say the watcher said this or that, the watcher also said Galactus could destroy the universe ten times over, which Galactus has never shown to be able to do. The watch talks alot of, but doesnt back it up, you can speculate about the Phoenix force all you want, but it has never shown feats on panel to surpass the AM.

If you want to talk about weak showings, Jean as the phoenix (the most powerful avatar of the pf) was killed by scorn, he basically killed her with a stroke. You can say "o but she died because she wanted to!" ha do you actually think that holds any grounds in a debate? Regardless of your reasoning the phoenix has been killed multiple times before, including but not limited to marvel humans.

Originally posted by Jesse7
I come here and find this name calling and accusing of Mr. M, is that really neccisary or for that matter mature? To report him to the mods for so called "trolling"? I have yet to this day see Mr. M troll, so as to exactly why your calling him one I do not know.

As for the current debate at hand between the Anti-Monitor and Dark Phoenix, I don't really see how this is a debate when the AM clearly beats DP in every category; power, kill score, destruction caused, etc.

If you think the DF is superior to the AM why don't you provide scans showing so, because I have seen the scans of phoenix feats, and her two greatest feats to this day were repairing the M krystal (which she couldn't do on her own by the way), and secondly repairing a wounded universe.

The phoenix force in general has never done anything trully multiversal nor has she ever shown the power to be able to destroy the Universe.

I think thats what everyone was trying to say this whole time, don't worry though, this will go on...

Originally posted by Creshosk
Why bother?

Actually, you wouldn't be able to find any post where I'm making claims that aren't on panel.

Originally posted by Creshosk
You are intentionally intellectually deceptive.

I like that phrase though.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually, you wouldn't be able to find any post where I'm making claims that aren't on panel.

I like that phrase though.

Are you awaare of what "leading" is?

Showing only the evidence you want, and ignoring anything that doesn't follow your argument.

For example I could take three hundred pictures of New York city. Not once takeing a picture of a car, or anything that would imply a car.

Then I can show these three hundred pictures and say "Based on these pictures there are no cars in new york"

I'd have 300 pictures worth of evidence. And they'd be true to what they show... no cars.

Not a very valid tactic though is it?

Originally posted by Jesse7
I come here and find this name calling and accusing of Mr. M, is that really neccisary or for that matter mature? To report him to the mods for so called "trolling"? I have yet to this day see Mr. M troll, so as to exactly why your calling him one I do not know.

Wut up Jess.

Forget that guy,

I just realized he's holding a grudge against me cause I must of shut him down in another thread.

I bet it was in a vs Phoenix thread, cause he fancys himself as Galactic Storm's prodigy.

And how many times have I flushed Phoenix down the toilet with on panel evidence?

Many...and made many fanboys angry.

Ooooo that explains, but on another note don't let them get to you, if anything I think you are quite the opposite of a troll, you politely debate and back up your arguments with Scans and on panel showings not just unsupported speculation.

Originally posted by Jesse7
O that explains
I've been politely debating nowdays too.

That you have been bigbran, by the way Bigbran I do appologize for the times I have been rude and impolite to you, espicially in the Silver Surfer Vs threads.

P.S. Bigbran even though we are often on opposite sides during Silver Surfer Vs threads, lets not let that get in the way of us staying friendly and polite to one another ^_^

common guys we can make it to page 10 if we try hard enough

Actualy the shell as you call it can only die when dark phoenix wishies it. In Phoenix Endsong jean tried to get Logan to kill her but Dark Phoenix wouldnt allow it so he couldnt.

Anti Monitor got his ass handed to him in Crisis 12#

In the Dark Phoenix Saga the watcher says if left unchecked Dark Phoenix could consume existance. Se you would know this if you read the issues instead of just asking others to do the job for you. Read X-men 154# and x-men forever you'll understand both Phoenix and Dark Phoenix better.

Originally posted by Jesse7
was killed by scorn,
Xorn I thought it was spelled?

Originally posted by Jesse7
he basically killed her with a stroke.
Which is extremly absurd. Electromagnetic impulses are not harmful to the human brain.

Hell, we use them every day in MRIs...

Originally posted by Jesse7
You can say "o but she died because she wanted to!"
Which is sort of true... though there is more to it than that.

Originally posted by Jesse7
ha do you actually think that holds any grounds in a debate?
actually it's pointing out the circumstantial evidence. Phoenix(the avatar shell that became dark phoenix) has fought magneto before... and even with his powers has never done something like that.

Originally posted by Jesse7
Regardless of your reasoning the phoenix has been killed multiple times before, including but not limited to marvel humans.
This is all well and good but irrealivent isn't it? Since we're not talking about anything other than the Phoenix Shell that was Dark Phoenix?

Originally posted by Basti0n
common guys we can make it to page 10 if we try hard enough

Actualy the shell as you call it can only die when dark phoenix wishies it. In Phoenix Endsong jean tried to get Logan to kill her but Dark Phoenix wouldnt allow it so he couldnt.

Anti Monitor got his ass handed to him in Crisis 12#

In the Dark Phoenix Saga the watcher says if left unchecked Dark Phoenix could consume existance. Se you would know this if you read the issues instead of just asking others to do the job for you. Read X-men 154# and x-men forever you'll understand both Phoenix and Dark Phoenix better.

ok I'l play along.
Am shuts her down!!!

Originally posted by Creshosk
Showing only the evidence you want, and ignoring anything that doesn't follow your argument.

Ignoring evidence that doesn't follow my arguement?

Prove to me when you or your predecessor, posted VALID evidence, and I ignored it.

Cause I'm a madman.

I will back track into ancient threads, and show you how when I'm proven wrong, I except it and walk away.

eg.

One time I misinterpreted a scan (nobody's perfect)
I believe it was leonidis, that saw where I was incorrect, he pointed it out, and I agreed.

I can find it easily, becasue I started that thread.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Wut up Jess.

Forget that guy,

I just realized he's holding a grudge against me cause I must of shut him down in another thread.

I bet it was in a vs Phoenix thread, cause he fancys himself as Galactic Storm's prodigy.

And how many times have I flushed Phoenix down the toilet with on panel evidence?

Many...and made many fanboys angry.

No you haven't. And I wish people would stop calling me that. It's like I can't have any veiws on the phoenix without being GS's prodigy.

Originally posted by Jesse7
Ooooo that explains, but on another note don't let them get to you, if anything I think you are quite the opposite of a troll, you politely debate and back up your arguments with Scans and on panel showings not just unsupported speculation.

😄

Originally posted by Jesse7
That you have been bigbran, by the way Bigbran I do appologize for the times I have been rude and impolite to you, espicially in the Silver Surfer Vs threads.

P.S. Bigbran even though we are often on opposite sides during Silver Surfer Vs threads, lets not let that get in the way of us staying friendly and polite to one another ^_^

I know, I have been friendly, and I do know he would lose to pc supes.
But lets stay on topic, or we will be reported....

Point being that the Phoenix Force in general, not limited to DP, can be destroyed and erased from ever existing, want to know why?

The AM didn't kill, it erased and re-wrote existence, in that it erased countless universes (some thing the phoenix force has never shown on panel to be able to do) and then it re-wrote their existence and took them into itself as to make itself more powerful?

Want to know how I know this? Because when fighting the AM they didnt immediately want to kill it (after they found out the dead were linked to it) because the lives of every person it had killed were linked to it powering it, what does this matter? Well its because it did this ti countless universes.

^okay i know I didnt explain this clearly, maybe Avalon could better explain this, but it is some thing like this.

Keep the debate going, I have to do something, I'll be back right away.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Ignoring evidence that doesn't follow my arguement?

Prove to me when you or your predecessor, posted VALID evidence, and I ignored it.

Cause I'm a madman.

I will back track into ancient threads, and show you how when I'm proven wrong, I except it and walk away.

eg.

One time I misinterpreted a scan (nobody's perfect)
I believe it was leonidis, that saw where I was incorrect, he pointed it out, and I agreed.

I can find it easily, becasue I started that thread.

I really wish you'd stop that.

If you haven't noticed I think that the AM destroys the dark phoenix. you want to talk about prodigy how about posting the same thing over and over and disallowing seperation?

Originally posted by Creshosk
No you haven't. And I wish people would stop calling me that. It's like I can't have any veiws on the phoenix without being GS's prodigy.

Well then, you shouldn't come out your face like that.

All you had to say was,

I'll appreciate it if we discuss DP and AM only.

See how nice that reads, and it works.

I have to leave now, but before I do I want to appologize to you Creshock for any rude or impolite comments I have made toward you, I saw your comment that its DP and AM only and I included the PF as a whole, sorry for doing that.

P.S. I some what did it to show that the AM not only surpasses DP but the PF as a whole.

P.S.S. Nite everyone ^_^