WhiteWitchKing
Senior Member
Originally posted by Creshosk
[B]I think you already know them.and I'm telling you that's ape ass stupid. There has to be something more than just electromagnetic energy. Cause electromagnetic energy by itself is used on the human brain all the time... Magnetic Resonance Imaging . . .
Magneto says it's an EM pulse. If he used some other kind of energy, I wouldn't know. What he says is an EMP and she's dying because of him. The fact is that she died and by him, which is later still referenced in Here Comes Tomorrow. As far as it goes Magneto killed her with his own power...we'll taping the Earth's magnetic energy.
whenever he directed his electro magnetic energy against people. in all of his various fights where he hits them directly with the energy... like a certain midget and a collossus .. or hey, even the other phoenix shell during the short time after 101 but before 137 they fought at least once I think...
This is energy he's been gather for a few days when he unloaded it on her. It's not the same as him pulling EM's out of the blue. Magneto also liquified admantium within seconds. It doesn't make sense that he could do it so quickly without strainning but he did. He's also dispersed Dazzler's attack into harmless light. The guy says it's an EMP. If it wasn't, it still was his own powers concentrated and directed at her that killed her. There's nothing to suggest otherwise.
The paragraph right before the ultraverse section where the sentience traversed into another dimension . . ."Rachel allowed necrom to posses the force gambling that it's infinite power would be too much for him."
I'm going to try and find a way to phrase this so it doesn't sound too wierd...
The sentience that often takes a bird form, but has taken on an avatar form of the replacment Jean Grey, or the host body of Jean, Rachel or Prime ... is a seperate phoenix force from the energy source that it is an embodiment of which is also called the phoenix force....
Pretty much the source of some of the conflict between phoenix fans/supporters and ... others is I think that there are two things refered to as the Phoenix Force... and they get confused quite frequently. The energy source of TOAA's creative energy and the stupid bird thingy.
See what I don't understand is the TOAA and Phoenix Force connection. Where's this coming from? From what I've gathered, this is all just a speculation. Does it say anywhere that this is TOAA's creative energy?
Phoenix Force is part of a cycle; it's job is to spark the big bang every time after the universe dies. That's certain. What I don't get is where does it say PF created the VERY FIRST universe or multiverse to begin this cycle. All references and scans have been to her role in the current universe (which is part of the cycle).
My whole issue is Phoenix fans trying to claim that the Pheonix created the universe and therefore brought concepts and abstracts into being. When all is shown is the abstracts have yet to even consider the PF in any relation to them. Nor have they said she's more powerful then them.
Simply put my take is:
TOAA created LT and concepts and abstracts. It created the very first universe(s) that make up the multiverse. Beings such as Eterntiy, Death, Chaos, Order, Oblivion, and Ressurection were created by TOAA. When the first universe died, the Phoenix Force ressurrects the universe through a spark and begins the universe again.
Some Phoenix Fans:
Phoenix created the big bang and is said by Uatu to be second only to the Creator. Here's a scan that references the PF responsible for the big bang which created the universe. Whose part of the universe? Oh that's right, everything including Eterntiy, Death, and the other abstracts. There! Case close. Eternity and the other abstracts are below PF because it "created" the universe and the abstracts are part of the universe. 🙄
The funny thing about other Phoenix fans' argument is that no marvel bio has put her in such a position (TOAA's power, multiverse creator, second only to LT). In comics, there's no actual words by any of the abstracts that the Force is in a way related to them much less responsible for their creation or is the source of their power. The argument's for the Force's place in the MU also ignores X-Men Forever's universal cycle that she's a part of. No where in it does it say that Eternity and the other abstracts were related much less created by the Force. In fact Prosh says that the abstracts survives to the next universe. As for the Stranger, he referred to it as the Ressurection Force. Other things ignored by fans is also references regarding the Phoenix Force as "a child of the universe." Meaning it was born at some point in one of the universe. You only here that she sparked the big bang therefore everyone's to believe that the abstracts were created because of the Phoenix. 🙄
