Least useful...

Originally posted by Draco69
Strategically? Eh. Diana's a cream of the crop strategy general. She's an Amazon after all. War is their picnic. And Martian Manhunter spent centuries at war as a general against White Martians and the like.

Detective? Batman is useful for his resources on crime. But they can always just call him up if they need him.

They spend more time fighting a giant hell-demon threatening the solar system. Not supercriminals they could fight by themselves.

Apparently, in comics experience means absolutely DICK. I'm serious. The BEST martial artist in comic book history is Karate Kid who's just a 16 year old punk kid. So, with that in mind, it is said often enough, and it's been shown often enough that strategizing is Batman's "bag" so to speak.

I agree with you on the hell fire lord thing. But, his genius is usually needed by the JLA at one point or another. He can make himself think like criminals, so that they are able to trace and track the criminal. Again, detective work is Batman's "bag" considering he's the best detective on EARTH.

Originally posted by batdude123
Apparently, in comics experience means absolutely DICK. I'm serious. The BEST martial artist in comic book history is Karate Kid who's just a 16 year old punk kid. So, with that in mind, it is said often enough, and it's been shown often enough that strategizing is Batman's "bag" so to speak.

I agree with you on the hell fire lord thing. But, his genius is usually needed by the JLA at one point or another. He can make himself think like criminals, so that they are able to trace and track the criminal. Again, detective work is Batman's "bag" considering he's the best detective on EARTH.

Detective is a good thing. But not a necessity for the JLA. The CSI wouldn't be useful if a giant space octupus is attacking New York now would it?

As I said, canonically you absolutely correct that Batman is essential since his mere presence reduces the IQ of everyone around him by 20 points....

Realistically, though? No. Not really....

Originally posted by Draco69
Detective is a good thing. But not a necessity for the JLA. The CSI wouldn't be useful if a giant space octupus is attacking New York now would it?

As I said, canonically you absolutely correct that Batman is essential since his mere presence reduces the IQ of everyone around him by 20 points....

Realistically, though? No. Not really....

So we're just supposed to ignore reoccuring instances in comics just because you don't like them? 😕 J'onn and Batman usually interchange with their strategizing skills in the JLA. They have expressed their dependency on him before. He's there to be the overall strategizer for the team. But, if you want to get nasty, what's the reason for WW to be on the team? Female canon fodder.

Originally posted by batdude123
So we're just supposed to ignore reoccuring instances in comics just because you don't like them? 😕 J'onn and Batman usually interchange with their strategizing skills in the JLA. But, if you want to get nasty, what's the reason for WW to be on the team? Female canon fodder.

As I said, CANONICALLY (which means in the comic) Batman is essential to the team.

But when you really think about it logically and you factor in what everybody else can do, he's not that special. J'onn's already a detective. Not as good as Bats. But good enough.

Diana is the magic forte. She's also the highly-skilled combatant that can take down most opponents.

If the team is facing a Norse God or something crawling out of Tarturus, she leads the team.

Superman is sci-fi. WW is myth.

Originally posted by Draco69
As I said, CANONICALLY (which means in the comic) Batman is essential to the team.

But when you really think about it logically and you factor in what everybody else can do, he's not that special. J'onn's already a detective. Not as good as Bats. But good enough.

Diana is the magic forte. She's also the highly-skilled combatant that can take down most opponents.

If the team is facing a Norse God or something crawling out of Tarturus, she leads the team.

Superman is sci-fi. WW is myth.

And for strategem, it's Batman. MM has admitted this. Why would he lie? J'onn is good, but even in his own series, he isn't as good of a strategizer as Batman. He comes up with the overall plans. To be honest, they don't even need Plastic Man. They have him covered with Martian Manhunter.

Originally posted by batdude123
And for strategem, it's Batman. MM has admitted this. Why would he lie? J'onn is good, but even in his own series, he isn't as good of a strategizer as Batman. He comes up with the overall plans. To be honest, they don't even need Plastic Man. They have him covered with Martian Manhunter.

Strategm. Batman is canonically for some reason or another better than two people who were fighting wars when he was pooing in a diaper. Realistically they should be better than him.

Batman IS kinda like Captain America on the team. When he isn't being a dick...

Plastic Man is comic relief through and through. The purpose of the Fernus storyline was to make two underrated characters look good.

Originally posted by Draco69
Strategm. Batman is canonically for some reason or another better than two people who were fighting wars when he was pooing in a diaper. Realistically they should be better than him.

Batman IS kinda like Captain America on the team. When he isn't being a dick...

Plastic Man is comic relief through and through. The purpose of the Fernus storyline was to make two underrated characters look good.

Again, experience doesn't hold any ground for ANY reason in comics. Fighting skills, intellect, etc.

There's a difference between intellect, and wisdom. It's obvious Batman is the intellectual, while they perhaps have more wisdom. But, his strategizing skills come in handy.

And why exactly is it only canonically there, when it's plain as can see that strategy and detective skills are what he's best at in the group? Is Superman not the strongest? Is J'onn not a good combination of Batman and Superman? Is Kyle not the most powerful? Is Flash not the fastest? Is Wonder Woman not the most magically wisdom filled group member? 😕

Originally posted by batdude123
Again, experience doesn't hold any ground for ANY reason in comics. Fighting skills, intellect, etc.

There's a difference between intellect, and wisdom. It's obvious Batman is the intellectual, while they perhaps have more wisdom. But, his strategizing skills come in handy.

And why exactly is it only canonically there, when it's plain as can see that strategy and detective skills are what he's best at in the group? Is Superman not the strongest? Is J'onn not a good combination of Batman and Superman? Is Kyle not the most powerful? Is Flash not the fastest? Is Wonder Woman not the most magically wisdom filled group member? 😕

You're not getting it....

Canonically. In the comics. By the writers. Batman is the best strategist.

Realistically. Logically. If you REALLY think about it. No, Batman shouldn't be the best at strategm or detective work.

It's like Flash losing to the Rogues or ANYBODY in the comics when he should lose at ALL....

Am I making sense?

Originally posted by Draco69
You're not getting it....

Canonically. In the comics. By the writers. Batman is the best strategist.

Realistically. Logically. If you REALLY think about it. No, Batman shouldn't be the best at strategm or detective work.

It's like Flash losing to the Rogues or ANYBODY in the comics when he should lose at ALL....

Am I making sense?

If they aren't, then why logically are they? 😕 You aren't making sense here. It aplies to everything in comics. Comics don't make sense. They aren't shown to be, so why are we to assume so?

Originally posted by batdude123
If they aren't, then why logically are they? 😕 You aren't making sense here. It aplies to everything in comics. Comics don't make sense. They aren't shown to be, so why are we to assume so?

'Cause we make sense on this forum.

In the comics, Plastic Man was the only one was telepathically immune to Fernus...which is bull since Green Lantern has uber psi shields and Diana is as immune to telepathy as a piece of granite.

Don't know why Green Arrow or Hawkgirl is on the new team...

Unless they give Hawkgirl the magic-nullifying Nth metal like they did in the JLU. THAN she would be useful.

Originally posted by Draco69
'Cause we make sense on this forum.

In the comics, Plastic Man was the only one was telepathically immune to Fernus...which is bull since Green Lantern has uber psi shields and Diana is as immune to telepathy as a piece of granite.

Don't know why Green Arrow or Hawkgirl is on the new team...

Unless they give Hawkgirl the magic-nullifying Nth metal like they did in the JLU. THAN she would be useful.

It's wrong to disregard what is shown on panel. Example: Captain America only had combat training for only what, a couple of months? But guess what, he's one of the very best fighters in the Marvel universe. Are we supposed to discredit all that he's done simply because he doesn't have the kind of EXPERIENCE that Wolverine does? 😕 No, we should not look past what goes on in the comics. After all, that's the only basis of comparison we use here.

Originally posted by batdude123
So we're just supposed to ignore reoccuring instances in comics just because you don't like them? 😕

Originally posted by Validus
Says the Captain Atom fanboy. 😂

😮 For the record, he isn't even a top five favorite of mine. 😮

Originally posted by batdude123
It's wrong to disregard what is shown on panel. Example: Captain America only had combat training for only what, a couple of months? But guess what, he's one of the very best fighters in the Marvel universe. Are we supposed to discredit all that he's done simply because he doesn't have the kind of EXPERIENCE that Wolverine does? 😕 No, we should not look past what goes on in the comics. After all, that's the only basis of comparison we use here.

If we only used that Flash would be losing to Wolverine on the Rumbles Forum and Superman wouldn't be able to fight Hulk cause he doesn't use superspeed that often.

We use high showings of all characters. And the high showings of the rest of the JLA in comparision to Batman just outclasses him.

The best he can bring is strategy. And money and resources. He's certainly useful as a financial/capital resource.

But back to the topic, I still stand as Batman not being the most useful taking on account the threats they normally face. Like Imperiux. Batman didn't help with that. He couldn't. Or Superboy Prime. Or Mageddon. Or Abyss. These are normally the foes the JLA band together to face. Batman's detective work and strategy can only take him so far. How's he gonna know the weakness of a Qward is positive gamma radiation?

Strategy? Canonically, he's the best. But J'onn, GL and Diana already bring some of that to the table.

Detective? Not that useful for a team that faces cosmic threats. J'onn is already a detective and while he may not be the best, he's good enough.

Wealth? This is what he really brings to the team. Aquaman is wealthier. So is Diana. But they can't use it fully because of politics and because Arthur is an a$$.

If the JLA is gonna fight Galactus on Jupiter, I would rather we bring Aquaman than Batman.

Originally posted by Draco69
If we only used that Flash would be losing to Wolverine on the Rumbles Forum and Superman wouldn't be able to fight Hulk cause he doesn't use superspeed that often.

We use high showings of all characters. And the high showings of the rest of the JLA in comparision to Batman just outclasses him.

The best he can bring is strategy. And money and resources. He's certainly useful as a financial/capital resource.

But back to the topic, I still stand as Batman not being the most useful taking on account the threats they normally face. Like Imperiux. Batman didn't help with that. He couldn't. Or Superboy Prime. Or Mageddon. Or Abyss. These are normally the foes the JLA band together to face. Batman's detective work and strategy can only take him so far. How's he gonna know the weakness of a Qward is positive gamma radiation?

Strategy? Canonically, he's the best. But J'onn, GL and Diana already bring some of that to the table.

Detective? Not that useful for a team that faces cosmic threats. J'onn is already a detective and while he may not be the best, he's good enough.

Wealth? This is what he really brings to the team. Aquaman is wealthier. So is Diana. But they can't use it fully because of politics and because Arthur is an a$$.

If the JLA is gonna fight Galactus on Jupiter, I would rather we bring Aquaman than Batman.

I agree that a street leveler isn't going to bring anything to the table when fighting those guys, but at least you acknowledge he brings strategy and detective work to the table. 👆

Originally posted by The Pict
Astonishing X-Men- they could function without Emma as she turned against them

Originally posted by Darth Vicious
Au contraire my friend. I have every issue of Young Avengers, complete first volume and evry issue of the 2nd volume so far of Runaways and i have read a lot of Alpha Flight. That beng said, I liked Runaways when it first came out because it was an interesting concept like the Thunderboltes when they first came out but as I read Runaways I always thought "How long can they stretch this storyline, it would have to end sooner or later" but it was good because it was enterntaining, then it finished and I was ok with it because it had a good story with a decisive ending but then they made volume 2 i guess just to milk the success of the first one but I really dont think it will last. Mollys feat of pulling Cloaks cloak it was a way for the writer to make her powerful even if he had a stablished hero like Cloak to do it. I like reading Runaways, I think Victor and Karolina are the koolest characters but if it is cancelled tomorrow, no biggie. Young Avengers i like, it was created to feel the void when the Avengers disassembled and it has potential to be something like Teen Titans but i dont like the gay characters, I feel they were just created just for the "controversial" factor and maybe to bring readers in. Its been good but not great and again if it was cancelled tomorrow, no biggie. Alpha Flight has never ammounted to anything. It has had like 4 or 5 runs and they all get cancelled, why? because they sucked. I think the best thing they have done was die in New Avengers and when they make a new AF series it will get cancelled too. IMO.

Originally posted by TheKahn
I didn't mean to suggest that Kitty isn't useful at all. I was thinking more along the lines of who helps to round out the team overall and would allow them to deal with most threats.

Cyke- leader and offensive powerhouse
Emma- telepath
Beast- medical and tech
Colossus- super-strong brick

And I had a toss up between Kitty and Wolvie. The reason Wolverine got the slight edge is that I though his covert intelligence and military training/contacts might be more helpful as well as the fact that Marvel has now seemed to decided the hairy runt in indestructible. 😬

Also, Draco, what kind of logic is that? 😑 Let's just igonore EVERYTHING that's shown in comics that we don't like. 🙄 No, fact of the matter is that Batman is the strategizer of the team, whether you like it or not. The JLA has expressed their dependency on him before, and it is crap logic to ignore what happens in EVERY issue. It just plain doesn't make sense. Batman is the strategizer of the team, case closed.

I'm laughing my ass off at this thread and I have clue why.

Originally posted by batdude123
Also, Draco, what kind of logic is that? 😑 Let's just igonore EVERYTHING that's shown in comics that we don't like. 🙄 No, fact of the matter is that Batman is the strategizer of the team, whether you like it or not. The JLA has expressed their dependency on him before, and it is crap logic to ignore what happens in EVERY issue. It just plain doesn't make sense. Batman is the strategizer of the team, case closed.

Originally posted by Creshosk
I'm laughing my ass off at this thread and I have clue why.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
He's still the least useful..

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