The Official Magneto Respect Thread

Originally posted by 2damnloud
None of that has anything to do with/doesn't negate what I said.

He's shown to do it ONLY in metal by applying a magnetic field.

No magnetism happends without a magnetic field.

For example, Magneto cannot transmutate wood using his methodology because the atoms' electron alignment and arrangement are RANDOM in most substances(magnetic fields cancel out).

Metal metal metal, just like I said.

He has his limitations.

From your double-backing explanation, I can tell I'm not the only one who wikies.

You had to go read up on it huh??

I keep all of yous on your toes. 😂

Get back to your respect thread.

Nope I'm not refering to the random arrangement. The hint I was refering to was the pairing of electrons. Substances with an unpaired electron in it's sub-orbitals are paramagnetic. That's how we can magnetize oxygen.

He has controlled a missile made of plastic and ceramics here:

Magneto can control sub-atomic particles he controls electromagnetism.

I googled your explanation to understand where you got that regurgitated statement from.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Everything has a magnetic MOMENT, but everything is not magnetic.

See wood analogy in previous post.

Stop misrepresenting.

I'll let you get back to your respect thread.

Cool feat btw.

Making the nail with the hemoglobin is genius.

Everything can be made magnetic if you alter the electronic configuration of the substance. Which Magneto can do seeing how he controls electromagnetism and electrons to a very fine degree.

On top of that he has controlled blood...and managed to reduce the ion in the Fe2+/Protein ligand complex ion to Fe3+ and create a nail.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Nope I'm not refering to the random arrangement. The [b]hint I was refering to was the pairing of electrons. Substances with an unpaired electron in it's sub-orbitals are paramagnetic. That's how we can magnetize oxygen.

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How does this in any way refute what I said.

It's a Half-truth, anyway, which you are known for.

for it is

Liquid O2 and solid O2 are clear substances with a light sky blue coloration. The phenomena are not related; the color of the sky is due to Rayleigh scattering. In normal triplet form they are paramagnetic due to the spin magnetic moments of the unpaired electrons in the molecule, and the negative exchange energy between neighboring O2 molecules.

Electrons have intrinsic spin which gives rise to a magnetic moment.Metals tend to have these spins line up and hence their magnetic moment, this causes magnetism-particularly ferromagnetism.
Dr. Myron

See it's kinda like METAL which is also magnetic for some of the same reasons.

His powers are dependent on application of Magnetic field to a substances that fit the above criteria.ermmhappy

This is why you could never get around my wood analogy.✅

Random alingment=he has no power over it.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak

He has controlled a missile made of plastic and ceramics here:

Magneto can control sub-atomic particles he controls electromagnetism.

I googled your explanation to understand where you got that regurgitated statement from.

This means nothing since missiles are produced using ceramics which have FERRITES in them.

Looked that up tooermmhappy

Tackle the wood analogy.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak

Everything can be made magnetic if you alter the electronic configuration of the substance. Which Magneto can do seeing how he controls electromagnetism and electrons to a very fine degree.

It would be nice if he could, but he can't

This is false, anyway since your logic is faulty and unscientific. 😂

That's the limit when you don't have psionic control of electrons and you apply an external field to substance which has to have a certain electron spin/aligniment/magnetic moment.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak

On top of that he has controlled blood...and managed to reduce the ion in the Fe2+/Protein ligand complex ion to Fe3+ and create a nail.

Stated on panel?

Nope 😮‍💨

Originally posted by 2damnloud
See it's kinda like METAL which is also magnetic for some of the same reasons.

His powers are dependent on application of Magnetic field to a substances that fit the above criteria.ermmhappy

This is why you could never get around my wood analogy.✅

Random alingment=he has no power over it.

Your quotes only validate my argument. But it should be noted that this is not the point you were initially needling.

Liquid O2 and solid O2 are clear substances with a light sky blue coloration. The phenomena are not related; the color of the sky is due to Rayleigh scattering.

The first bit is irrelevant. I think most people already know that O2 is not responsible for the colour of the sky.

In normal triplet form they are paramagnetic due to the spin magnetic moments of the unpaired electrons in the molecule, and the negative exchange energy between neighboring O2 molecules.
Anyway

My point exactly. Unpaired Electrons allow for the alignment of particles which cause paramagnetism which allows for the substance to be magnetized.

Electrons have intrinsic spin which gives rise to a magnetic moment.Metals tend to have these spins line up and hence their magnetic moment, this causes magnetism-particularly ferromagnetism.
Dr. Myron

Yep, yep paramagnetic substances can line up like metals because they contain unpaired electrons. So yes in theory if one could modify the electronic configuration of a substance so that it contains unpaired electrons then they could magnetize it.

We can also get paramagnetic Nitrogen, Carbon, Hydrogen and Blood.

This means nothing since missiles are produced using ceramics which have FERRITES in them.

Looked that up tooermmhappy

If you read the scan you'd see that the ceramics used were meant to hinder his magnetic hold on them.

Tackle the wood analogy.

Already did and I only recall saying that he could control "everything" theoretically since his power is to control one of the fundamental forces. But I agree that, that particular statement is as valid as yours with Storm. However this was not what you were needling in the first place. You were needling his blood trick which is actually perfectly plausable given the nature of his powers.

That's the limit when you don't have psionic control of electrons and you apply an external field to substance which has to have a certain electron spin/aligniment/magnetic moment.

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/4625/classicxmen1909lm4.jpg

Stated on panel?

Nope 😮‍💨

Hey you and him are the ones who said he converted the Iron in haemoglobin to a nail.

In any event this is becoming spam.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Your quotes only validate my argument. But it should be noted that this is not the point you were initially needling.

Nope.

You are very slick in that you use half-truths. You basically say, but you don't.

You said he has control over sub-atomic particles, but you didn't state the preramenters surrounding this with regard to his primary powerset--magnetism.

This is disingenuous.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak

The first bit is irrelevant. I think most people already know that O2 is not responsible for the colour of the sky.

Uhh, so?? 😕

Originally posted by ExodusCloak

My point exactly. Unpaired Electrons allow for the alignment of particles which cause paramagnetism which allows for the substance to be magnetized.

Half-truth again.

Electrons are not unpaired in all materials. This why in EM theory there are terms like ferrmagnetic, damagnetic etc.

You are admitting that Magneto's control is very much conditional.

You say, but you don't say.

This is disingenuous.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak

Yep, yep paramagnetic substances can line up like metals because they contain unpaired electrons. So yes in theory if one could modify the electronic configuration of a substance so that it contains unpaired electrons then they could magnetize it.

True.

Certain materials are parramagnetic because of electrons, but all materials are not magnetic simply because they have electrons.

Your logic is faulty.

Magneto uses magnetic fields which have perameters.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak

If you read the scan you'd see that the ceramics used were meant to hinder his magnetic hold on them.

And this has to do with anything??

Obviously he is smarter in that ceramic is one of the main materials used in making magnets.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak

Already did and I only recall saying that he could control "everything" theoretically since his power is to control one of the fundamental forces. But I agree that, that particular statement is as valid as yours with Storm. However this was not what you were needling in the first place. You were needling his blood trick which is actually perfectly plausable given the nature of his powers.

No.

He has perameters with his power base--EM fields.

There is no "therorectical" about it.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/4625/classicxmen1909lm4.jpg

It says nothing about psionic control or the nature of the material he's observing.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak

Hey you and him are the ones who said he converted the Iron in haemoglobin to a nail.

Which led you to your extrapolation with no on panel evidence??

Originally posted by ExodusCloak

In any event this is becoming spam.

Well let this post be the end of our exchange.

You don't have to respond. 🙂

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Well let this post be the end of our exchange.

You don't have to respond. 🙂

I suggest you write a letter to the person who invented plastic magnets and tell them what they did is impossible. 😉 I'll also tell my Physical Chemistry Professor that his whole career is BS.(I never liked him anyway so I won't lose any sleep over it.)

Magneto Telepathic Defences

Magneto takes an attack from an amped Psylocke. She's amped by Cortez.

Who said he manipulated the plastic?

Magneto uses his powers casually

Levitates a paper file.

hmmm?

Acceptable under diamagnetic fields.

Of course we have to assume the file is all paper.

Credit goes to Galan for the scans.

Xorneto give Jean/Phoenix a planetary-scale stroke which kills her.

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff191/Galan_photos/phoenix_xorn1.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff191/Galan_photos/phoenix_xorn2.jpg

Beast recalls the event.

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff191/Galan_photos/phoenix_xorn3.jpg

The following has been Retconned so it's not usable but it is noteworthy:
On a lighter note. Xorn was originally supposed to be Magneto in Morrisons run. In fact according to Morrison he's still Magneto however as we all know Marvel have retconned that. But things to note:

- Morrisons had Xorneto control both Gravity and EM Energy in New X-Men
- Xorneto became living EM energy in New X-Men and turned himself into a living Black Hole that was expanding and was going to wipe out the Earth.
- Xorneto's had a "Star" for a brain which prevented some of the most powerful Telepaths from reading his mind. Jean manifesting hte Phoenix Force, Emma and Xavier. All they saw was a minature Sun.

The following has been Retconned so it's not usable but it is noteworthy:
On a lighter note. Xorn was originally supposed to be Magneto in Morrisons run. In fact according to Morrison he's still Magneto however as we all know Marvel have retconned that. But things to note:

- Magnetos "dying" message in Genosha was a EM virus that was meant to cripple all EM techonology. During Planet X he crippled the Entire planets techonology again.
- Xorneto was able to feel emotional energy and amplify his voice using his powers.

The following has been Retconned so it's not usable but it is noteworthy:
On a lighter note. Xorn was originally supposed to be Magneto in Morrisons run. In fact according to Morrison he's still Magneto however as we all know Marvel have retconned that. But things to note:

- Sublime drove Xorneto insane.(Inhaling Kick) = Explanation for Nazism and odd language during Planet X.
- Xorneto took over New York in One day wrecking everything.
- He was going to reverse the magnetic poles and wipe out mankind.

Lord of Genosha

Magneto Rex #1
(1st April 1999)
(Writer: Joe Pruett, Artist: Brandon Peterson)

Magneto's mutant powers are at a critical state during this period in time. They're undergoing a state of degradation and therefore his powers are a shadow of his former self.

In the following scans we see a severly weakened Magneto shut down the engines of two hovercycles. And then with a thought slow down the flow of oxygen to the brains of two enemy soldiers.

Due to the unfortunate state of his powers Magneto employs the help of Fabian Cortez a mutant with the ability to augument other mutant abilities. This allows Magneto to access his pre-degredation power levels. Note that he returns more powerful then ever after the Avengers enter Genosha to put an end to Magnetos rule.

U.N's violation of Sovereignty

Magneto Rex #2
(1st June 1999)
(Writer: Joe Pruett, Artist: Brandon Peterson)

The U.N. have violated their treaty with Magneto by invading Genosha's airspace with their aircraft and by turning their spy satellite on his land. In order to teach them a lesson Magneto rips the satellite out of space and smashes it directly into the aircraft violating his personal space. This demonstrates range and accuracy with his powers. Note that this is the same Magneto whose powers have degraded and is now being augemented back to his former levels by Cortez.(See Post Above for more information.)

Right after performing that feat he magnetically freezes Rogue in her tracks.

She also kisses him and absorbs his memories. She is overwhelmed by the pain and sorrow in his thoughts. Note how Magneto shows no sign of being comatose or weakened by her Absorption Power.

Execution of Zealot

Magneto Rex #3
(1st July 1999)
(Writer: Joe Pruett, Artist: Brandon Peterson)

Zealots power is that he has absolute control over the land of Genosha. Magneto faces off with him and ensnares him in scaffolding. He freezes everyone present(Rogue, Quicksilver, Cortez etc...) so they can't move and are forced to watch the execution. He then chucks Zealot into space.

Humiliating Dr. Doom

House of M: Fantastic Four #3
(November 2005)
(Writer: John Layman, Artist: Scot Eaton)

Dr. Doom lures Magneto and Pietro into a dimension under false promises where their powers do not work and traps them there. Doom also states that Magneto's mutant powers give him an unfair advantage.

The "It" alerts Polaris to this and she saves her father and brother from their fate. A fight breaks out between Doom and Magneto. Magneto utterly humiliates Victor. Dooms wife and son are killed by Magneto.
After a clear victory Magneto forgives Von Doom which humiliates the dear Dr. even further.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Doom also states that Magneto's mutant powers give him an unfair advantage.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
A fight breaks out between Doom and Magneto. Magneto utterly humiliates Victor. Dooms wife and son are killed by Magneto. After a clear victory Magneto forgives Von Doom which humiliates the dear Dr. even further.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
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It is nice seeing doom get his ass handed to him.

Not sure if this has been posted yet:

Zaladane vs Magneto

http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/9144/zaladane16nn.jpg
http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/9523/zaladane25st.jpg
http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/6443/zaladane37te.jpg
http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/7796/zaladane45hi.jpg

If anyone wants to see any Magneto fights or Magneto feats, give me a title and issue number, I'll see if I can find it.

What are some essential magneto comics? I am starting to realize how badass he is, i need some catching up to do.