Originally posted by Bardock42
Well, then let me rephrase, what do you base your opinion on that murder is actually evil? That harming people is evil?To answer your question, in case there does some sort of evil exist, I find it just as possible that Hitler was still not evil while others were. I have no clue how some absolute sort of moral code could look like, but why shouldn't killing Jews, homosexuals, etc. be one of the best good deeds a human can do? Could be.
Why? Any proof of that? Where does it absolutely and undeniably say that Hitler was evil? Since I am very able to deny it...weirdly enough.
Debbie, think before you post...and then just don't do it. The part you posted isn't even a full statement. Think, debbie. THINK.
In a subjective sense for many people. Sure, does that mean he was actually evil? No.
That's nice Flamboyant, but I am not sure if I would. It might change my opinion, since it is just the kind of thing that changes people' opinions and psychological structure. I like to think I would still think the same, but even if I wouldn't, it doesn't mean I am wrong now....because I happen to be right.
If something would change your opinion to "the earth is flat as a pancake" ...would you be right, just because that something happened? Or were you right before, when you said the earth is a sphere?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
ok, let me ask you this. what does one have to do to be evil? what is your definiton of evil?
Something has to be morally wrong to be evil in my opinion. I happen to not know any absolute moral code, so no one is truly evil. Now there might be people that are evil to me (by that definition), but I realize that they are not actually evil...at all.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
ok, let me go and kill millions of innocent jews. then, let me say "i am not evil!!!!"
what would you say to that? would you think i was evil if i killed a million innocent people?
The question isn't whether he'd think you're evil, the question is; would you?
Hitler didn't believe he was evil, Bin Laden probably doesn't believe he's evil. They believe they're all doing things, or were doing things, for the benefit of humanity, regardless of if they were or not.
If you killed millions and believed it was of benefit to the world, then obviously you would say you weren't evil, nor would those who agreed.
Bardock simply believes (I think) that there is no set moral code, and as much as he may believe something to be evil; he can't prove for a fact that it is, because people may always say "Nah, he's doing a good thing.".
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Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
The question isn't whether he'd think you're evil, the question is; would you?Hitler didn't believe he was evil, Bin Laden probably doesn't believe he's evil. They believe they're all doing things, or were doing things, for the benefit of humanity, regardless of if they were or not.
If you killed millions and believed it was of benefit to the world, then obviously you would say you weren't evil, nor would those who agreed.
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Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
The question isn't whether he'd think you're evil, the question is; would you?Hitler didn't believe he was evil, Bin Laden probably doesn't believe he's evil. They believe they're all doing things, or were doing things, for the benefit of humanity, regardless of if they were or not.
If you killed millions and believed it was of benefit to the world, then obviously you would say you weren't evil, nor would those who agreed.
Bardock simply believes (I think) that there is no set moral code, and as much as he may believe something to be evil; he can't prove for a fact that it is, because people may always say "Nah, he's doing a good thing.".
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Originally posted by Bardock42
Something has to be morally wrong to be evil in my opinion. I happen to not know any absolute moral code, so no one is truly evil. Now there might be people that are evil to me (by that definition), but I realize that they are not actually evil...at all.
what about lucifer? he thought it was right that angels be held above humans. so he defied god, was that right? (if you dont believe in god or lucifer, just state your opinion as if you do believe, please dont start a christianity debate.)
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
so just because "son of sam" said he was told to kill all those people (the dogs or demons told him to do it, i forget) he is not evil? he was told to kill them, he thought he was doing right, so he is not evil?
Is this another case of you skipping over my posts and misinterpreting me?
Evil, to me, is something calculated and intended, with relative precision. I don't throw it around easily, because to me "evil" is more than simply killing someone. It's the thought behind it that makes it evil, or not evil.
E.g: Killing someone in a mugging, to me, isn't evil, it's pathetic. Killing someone in some horrific way, whilst forcing their family to watch, aware of the psychological damage it could leave, is evil to me.
Was he evil? To me; no. To him; no. Were his actions inexcusable, wrong and unforgivable? To me; yes. To him; no.
You're missing the point. Everyone has different ideas of evil, and Bardock's is simply that no matter how much you believe something to be evil, you cannot factually prove it, because it can easily be countered (no matter how questionably) by "No, it's not.".
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Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
so hitler thought he was doing the right thing. ok. i dont agree with that, but thats your opinion, and i respect your right to have your own oipinion.what about lucifer? he thought it was right that angels be held above humans. so he defied god, was that right? (if you dont believe in god or lucifer, just state your opinion as if you do believe, please dont start a christianity debate.)
I think Lucifer wasn't evil either. Now pretending Chrisitan Mythology applies I certainly would prefer to be above angels, I am egoistical as that, but I think for that Lucifer guy it was more than reasonable to rebel against "God".
Oh, and slightly odd example.
Originally posted by Bardock42
I think Lucifer wasn't evil either. Now pretending Chrisitan Mythology applies I certainly would prefer to be above angels, I am egoistical as that, but I think for that Lucifer guy it was more than reasonable to rebel against "God".Oh, and slightly odd example.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
so you are saying that satan, the prince of darkness, is not evil? i wanna make sure i am getting this straight.
If he says "Yes", which he will, how can you prove him wrong? Besides telling him he's crazy, nuts and other things, which don't count.
Answer: You can't. Hence Bardock's point.
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