Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, basically. I don't buy in the whole Mythology thing though. Even if God exists there xcan't be an absolute moral code.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
you DO know that god is infallible, right? this is only if you believe in god, though. if you dont believe in god, then.....ok. freedom of religion, right?
This would mean your scenario doesn't actually stand at all. So...to say it for a third time, slightly odd example.
-AC
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
you DO know that god is infallible, right? this is only if you believe in god, though. if you dont believe in god, then.....ok. freedom of religion, right?
Even then, the moral code must be absolute to him, where would it come from? All that stuff. It just can't be..that there is a God is soo much more likely than that there is a universal moral code.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, basically. I don't buy in the whole Mythology thing though. Even if God exists there xcan't be an absolute moral code.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
no more so than your shoplifting example.
Feel free to get over that any time soon
We were discussing stealing, so I spoke of stealing. We're speaking of evil, so you involve religion...only to say that if we don't believe in God, never mind. I.E: Your point is worthless. Just like your contribution to this thread.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
the moral code is called the ten commandments. there are some things you can do, and some things you cant do. if you do one of the things you are not supposed to do, you pay for it.
Those don't apply to the non-religious.
-AC
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
ok, let me try another way:
if hitler thought the jews were inferior, why did he have to kill them? why not just imprison or exile them? i am sure he enjoyed killing them. the fact that he enjoyed it makes him evil.
Why? I enjoy ging to the movies...does that make me evil?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
ok, let me try another way:
if hitler thought the jews were inferior, why did he have to kill them? why not just imprison or exile them? i am sure he enjoyed killing them. the fact that he enjoyed it makes him evil.
A) He might have simply wanted to just get rid of them for good.
B) You said you are SURE he enjoyed killing them, only to follow it with "The fact that he enjoyed it...". It's not a fact that he enjoyed it, you're just sure he did.
Josef Mengele is the one who enjoyed it, carried it out, thought it up.
-AC
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
he made them himself. of course he could change them, but only before he gave them to moses. if he changed them afterwards, that would prove him infallible.
If he made them himself they are not absolute, if he can change them they are not absolute..not an absolute moral code then..jsut what he thinks is evil.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
the jesus discussion just worked its way into the conversation.
Because you need entirely subjective religious beliefs, as you ignored all my previous posts, which I'll expect a reply to.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
it is a legit example. on a different scale, but still legit.
i would expect a more intelligent post from you than your previous one.
I'd expect a reply, but we know how hard it is to get a reply out of you when you've been proven wrong.
Anyway, what is and isn't evil is entirely subjective. There's no absolute evil.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
A) He might have simply wanted to just get rid of them for good.B) You said you are SURE he enjoyed killing them, only to follow it with "The fact that he enjoyed it...". It's not a fact that he enjoyed it, you're just sure he did.
Josef Mengele is the one who enjoyed it, carried it out, thought it up.
-AC
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
it doesnt matter who carried out the act. it couldve been charlie brown. the bottom line is that hitler ordered it. that makes him the murderer of millions in cold blood. if this doesnt make one evil, then i guess evil does not exist.
If you believe he is evil, then that's your right. You have the right to believe he is evil.
As I said previously, though, it's subjective. The idea of evil does exist, but how it's applied and what it's applicable to, is entirely subjective.
-AC