Originally posted by DeanoFunny you should say that actually because the Nazis, believe it or not, are just like real people, you and me are just the same as the Nazis. People weren't born Nazis, they became Nazis, you, may very well even be a Nazi yourself and not even know it.
to me..people who are evil are people who enjoy the grotesque things they doing.
Originally posted by lord xyz
Funny you should say that actually because the Nazis, believe it or not, are just like real people, you and me are just the same as the Nazis. People weren't born Nazis, they became Nazis, you, may very well even be a Nazi yourself and not even know it.
You choose to be Nazi. You would know if you are not or not. 🙄
Re: Was Hitler...EVIL?
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Although he may have been wrong and his beliefs on what is right and wrong where extremely warped, does that actually make him evil?
Just look at his legacy... Millions of Germans dead, wounded, and homeless, an economy in shambles, and the deaths of about 6 million Jews. He and his cabinets reasoning lead to this fact. Thats alot of lives shattered. Saying his beliefs were wrong and warped is just a copout... He brought much death and destruction, and he should be held accountable for it. I'd call him evil, he definatly wasn't a saviour.
Re: Re: Was Hitler...EVIL?
Originally posted by Jim Reaper
Just look at his legacy... Millions of Germans dead, wounded, and homeless, an economy in shambles, and the deaths of about 6 million Jews. He and his cabinets reasoning lead to this fact. Thats alot of lives shattered. Saying his beliefs were wrong and warped is just a copout... He brought much death and destruction, and he should be held accountable for it. I'd call him evil, he definatly wasn't a saviour.
Hitler and the Nazis were evil and though I can understand we can debate about the definition of "evil", I think we can safely say that Hitler was evil - definitely one of the most evil people of his time.
The fact that he believed in what he did, doesn't change a thing. When you leave a country in shambles and are (in)directly responsible for millions of dead people, you are evil.
Everything else is just playing with words.
Originally posted by Bardock42
No, why is killing peopel evil? Why is destroying the economy evil? Why is Raping a 5 year old kid evil? Why is sending money to the poor in Africa evil?
If you had a conscience, you wouldn't ask those silly questions.
Originally posted by who?-kid
Am I talking to a robot ? Or to an alien ? Why do I have to explain the obvious ?If you had a conscience, you wouldn't ask those silly questions.
You have a conscience because people told you all the time that the stuff is evil...not because it is actually evil. Since..well, it's not evil.
Originally posted by Bardock42
You have a conscience because people told you all the time that the stuff is evil...not because it is actually evil. Since..well, it's not evil.
Not necessarily Bardock....
My morality contradicts what I've been taught all my life, by religion, by family, by freinds, etc.
I know I've been influenced, but at the same time, many of the opinions I have are my own..independent of outside source.
I think morality may also be intuitive as well as subjective, but that's a whole other story.
Ne ways, What Hitler did was evil by most standards, so there you go. Whether evil exists or not is a whole other debate....
But in this debate, we are trying to determine whether Hitler was evil or insane.....doesn't matter.
The things he did were horrible, and his intentions were in no way positive. Therefore, by definition, what he did was Evil.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Not necessarily Bardock....My morality contradicts what I've been taught all my life, by religion, by family, by freinds, etc.
I know I've been influenced, but at the same time, many of the opinions I have are my own..independent of outside source.
I think morality may also be intuitive as well as subjective, but that's a whole other story.
Ne ways, What Hitler did was evil by most standards, so there you go. Whether evil exists or not is a whole other debate....
But in this debate, we are trying to determine whether Hitler was evil or insane.....doesn't matter.
The things he did were horrible, and his intentions were in no way positive. Therefore, by definition, what he did was Evil.
Fair enough, but it is formed through your social upbringing. It is not absolute. Also, sure you can have formed opinions on your own (partly) but even then, why would you think you could claim they are absolute.
Horrible...subjetive.
Positive...subjective.
And in this debate we are wondering if Hitler was evil. If evil does not exist....how can he be evil?
Originally posted by Bardock42
Fair enough, but it is formed through your social upbringing. It is not absolute. Also, sure you can have formed opinions on your own (partly) but even then, why would you think you could claim they are absolute.Horrible...subjetive.
Positive...subjective.
And in this debate we are wondering if Hitler was evil. If evil does not exist....how can he be evil?
Then the debate shouldn't be whether Hitler or any other person is evil, but does 'Evil' exist at all.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Fair enough, but it is formed through your social upbringing. It is not absolute. Also, sure you can have formed opinions on your own (partly) but even then, why would you think you could claim they are absolute.Horrible...subjetive.
Positive...subjective.
And in this debate we are wondering if Hitler was evil. If evil does not exist....how can he be evil?
True...but then he's good either is he ? What is he then ?
Originally posted by Robtard
Then the debate shouldn't be whether Hitler or any other person is evil, but does 'Evil' exist at all.
It doesn't have to exist. If we recognize something as evil, then it's real enough.
In the other thread you said its wrong for an adult to have sex with a teenager....I think it's kinda gross, but whether or not it's wrong is subjective....yet its wrong enough to you isnt it ? You don't need anyone to convince you of how you already feel, do u ?
Likewise, if we see what he did as evil, then it's no less evil if "evil" doesn't truly exist, simply because that's how we will percieve it.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Horrible...subjetive.Positive...subjective.
And in this debate we are wondering if Hitler was evil. If evil does not exist....how can he be evil?
He's right.
When you say : Damn, that elephant is big ! You actually say Damn, that elephant is big, compared to me, because compared to the Mount Everest, the elephant is an ant. But you don't do that, you compare it to yourself.
When you look at an ant and think such a small animal, you actually think such a small animal compared to me.
And so on. The sun is not hot, the sun is hot compared to a human being. The moon is not far, the moon is too far for a human to walk to it. A car is not too heavy, a car is too heavy for a human to lift it.
Far, small, little, huge, cold, warm, evil and good : that all means nothing, until it's compared to a human being !
After all, man is the measure of all things. And since man is measure of all things, and since man acknowledges the existence of being evil, we can say evil exists.
Originally posted by who?-kid
That's a nihilistic point of view. You know the Greek thinker Protagoras ? He said "[b]Man is the measure of all things".He's right.
When you say : Damn, that elephant is big ! You actually say Damn, that elephant is big, compared to me, because compared to the Mount Everest, the elephant is an ant. But you don't do that, you compare it to yourself.
When you look at an ant and think such a small animal, you actually think such a small animal compared to me.
And so on. The sun is not hot, the sun is hot compared to a human being. The moon is not far, the moon is too far for a human to walk to it. A car is not too heavy, a car is too heavy for a human to lift it.
Far, small, little, huge, cold, warm, evil and good : that all means nothing, until it's compared to a human being !
After all, man is the measure of all things. And since man is measure of all things, and since man acknowledges the existence of being evil, we can say evil exists. [/B]
That was an excellent argument. 👆
I haven't read something that intelligent on KMC in weeks.