Was Hitler...EVIL?

Originally posted by PVS
yes, there is a base, one which is not dictated or put into law. just vast majorty morality. rather than 50% if a population dictating something on the other 50, or even 90% of the population dictating law onto the other 10. its not a set code, but rather a general and primal feeling. this is the foundation of law. people universally determine that killing someone over nothing is wrong (i believe their is no justification at all, but anyway.....) of coarse, throughout history many create a justification, whether it be religion, nationalism, belief in lesser humans, the hypocrisy of the death penalty, labeling the enemy as "evil", etc. the core belief however is and always was universally agreed upon.

:edit: point is "evil" is what goes against that hardwired thought. so yes i believe that anyone who has ever killed has done evil. i dont, however think that everyone who has ever killed is evil.

Wait what now universally accepted (which it isn't or Hitler wouldn't have done it) or just a vast majority? Anyways, I think you know that it is subjective. And to call someone Evil is as well. Hitler is evil to you, RJ, Jews and most people that ever lived. But Hitler is not Evil per se.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Hitler is evil to you, RJ, Jews and most people that ever lived. But Hitler is not Evil per se.

he is not, by definition 'evil' because there can never be an all encompassing definition of evil. the same goes for love and hate, yet they do exist, dont they? unprovable, completely a product of the mind and not factually existent. i feel that evil is such an existing yet completely enigmatic phenomenon of the human conciseness. most people believe this as well, just some far more extreme than others. some feel that evil can actually be hardwired into the mind from conception. that doesnt change its existence, only their definition and opinion, and imho the true meaning (just for the sake of argument) of good, evil, love, hate, etc cannot be put into words or comprehended in full.

Originally posted by PVS
he is not, by definition 'evil' because there can never be an all encompassing definition of evil. the same goes for love and hate, yet they do exist, dont they? unprovable, completely a product of the mind and not factually existent. i feel that evil is such an existing yet completely enigmatic phenomenon of the human conciseness. most people believe this as well, just some far more extreme than others. some feel that evil can actually be hardwired into the mind from conception. that doesnt change its existence, only their definition and opinion, and imho the true meaning (just for the sake of argument) of good, evil, love, hate, etc cannot be put into words or comprehended in full.

I don't doubt that the definition of evil exist. All I am saying is that evil without a point of view (pure evil) does not exist. I would argue that "Do not kill" is a very basic human law, probably one of the first one would come up with, but it is not independent opinions.

Originally posted by Bardock42

I don't doubt that the definition of evil exist. All I am saying is that evil without a point of view (pure evil) does not exist.

by "pure evil" i mean fully detatched from any sense of humanity and morality.
i dont believe in "pure evil" as some entity any more than i believe in the dark side of the force.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I would argue that "Do not kill" is a very basic human law, probably one of the first one would come up with, but it is not independent opinions.

...yes it is. its all a collection of individual opinions. some of those opinions are universal, but they are all products of our reasoning and nothing factual. the very basis of our existance in society, everything that is beyond our basic mortality and primal instincts is based on a collection of opinions on what should and should not be, and how we conduct ourselves. opinions make our reality, and even the most fundamental laws

when you kill someone, you wipe out everything they have ever done, everything they are, and everything they will ever do or amount to.
killing one person is bad enough.
killing millions? thats just lunacy. evil, in my opinion.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Wait what now universally accepted (which it isn't or Hitler wouldn't have done it) or just a vast majority? Anyways, I think you know that it is subjective. And to call someone Evil is as well. Hitler is evil to you, RJ, Jews and most people that ever lived. But Hitler is not Evil per se.

Would you say Hitler was :

1) Hateful
2) Bias
3) Mean
4) Cruel
5) Sadistic
6) Crazy

If you say yes to any of the above, then how could you not find him "evil" ?

under the influence...like many today

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Would you say Hitler was :

1) Hateful
2) Bias
3) Mean
4) Cruel
5) Sadistic
6) Crazy

If you say yes to any of the above, then how could you not find him "evil" ?

you forgot delusional. 😉

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
all of the above=evil.

you forgot delusional. 😉

No. Being delusional almost excuses you from being "evil". To be evil, you have to know what you are doing and intend it.

He intended to hurt millions of people...he knew what he was doing...he's evil.

good point. i stand corrected. i saw a porn once called "girls of the third reich" that depicted his suicide in a hilarious fashion.
i dont know why i brought that up, i just did.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
when you kill someone, you wipe out everything they have ever done, everything they are, and everything they will ever do or amount to.
killing one person is bad enough.
killing millions? thats just lunacy. evil, in my opinion.

Exactly. Evil in your opinion.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Would you say Hitler was :

1) Hateful
2) Bias
3) Mean
4) Cruel
5) Sadistic
6) Crazy

If you say yes to any of the above, then how could you not find him "evil" ?

Yeah, he probably was all of that...now show me the unchangeable, absolute and mandatory for everyone book where it says that those things are evil.

[edit] Also, some people would claim that crazy people are usually not considered "evil".

I think the people on here are being polite to you for making such a outrageos thread...

Do you use the same arguement for Hitlers DR's operating on these poor souls in these death camps using no anaesthetic....
ans setting dogs on PREGNANT women?? and sowing there vagina's up so they couldn't give birth.
What has darwins theory got to do with that you evil minded ****.

And btw my farther was in the 2nd world war and went in to liberate these poor people, and he seen what evil the germans left behind..

I hope you burn alive.. SLOWLY. and that is a kind death for you..

pompus twa.t

Originally posted by hazel1
I think the people on here are being polite to you for making such a outrageos thread...

Do you use the same arguement for Hitlers DR's operating on these poor souls in these death camps using no anaesthetic....
ans setting dogs on PREGNANT women?? and sowing there vagina's up so they couldn't give birth.
What has darwins theory got to do with that you evil minded ****.

And btw my farther was in the 2nd world war and went in to liberate these poor people, and he seen what evil the germans left behind..

I hope you burn alive.. SLOWLY. and that is a kind death for you..

pompus twa.t

I really, really appreciate irony.

[QUOTE=7267680]Originally posted by Bardock42
[B]Exactly. Evil in your opinion.

thank you!!!! its my opinion!!! whats so hard about that?

Originally posted by Bardock42
I really, really appreciate irony.

What about Drama ?

drama is good.
TNT KNOWS DRAMA!!!

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
What about Drama ?

No, I don't really care for drama much. It can be entertaining, but generally...no. I like Dramas though.

Originally posted by hazel1
I think the people on here are being polite to you for making such a outrageos thread...

but you're here to put an immediate stop to rational discussion, arent you champ?

Originally posted by hazel1
Do you use the same arguement for Hitlers DR's operating on these poor souls in these death camps using no anaesthetic....
ans setting dogs on PREGNANT women?? and sowing there vagina's up so they couldn't give birth.
What has darwins theory got to do with that you evil minded ****.

sounds hot. got pictures?

Originally posted by hazel1
And btw my farther was in the 2nd world war and went in to liberate these poor people, and he seen what evil the germans left behind..

good for your farther
is this the part where we all bow our heads and pretend to give a shit?

Originally posted by hazel1
I hope you burn alive.. SLOWLY. and that is a kind death for you..

pompus twa.t

hitler would be so proud of you

Originally posted by PVS
but you're here to put an immediate stop to rational discussion, arent you champ?

sounds hot. got pictures?

good for your farther

is this the part where we all bow our heads and pretend to give a shit?

hitler would be so proud of you

1. You don't know what you are talking about.

2. You do it on purpose, just to upset people.

The result is the same however : you're a nutcase.

Originally posted by who?-kid
Most people don't realize that irony is very difficult to use in a thread. It's not always very clear you know.

indeed.

hey, concerning your post in this thread, what gave you the impression that i care? please quote the part of my post that says "ill care", so that i can go back and edit.

edit: amazing that the guy who wishes slow death by burning on others isnt a 'nutcase'.