Post Star Forge Revan & ROTS Obi-Wan vs. ROTS Mace & Kyle Katarn

Fun. Now look at Mace.

Wonderful rebuttal.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
I rank Revan to be slightly less than Asajj. How you rank him doesn't matter, especially with Revan, because, we need facts to back it up. Mace has Vapaad, Shatterpoint, and decades of experience. Revan has a mask.

Facts like what, him defeating a star forge powered Malak+8 Jedi? Malak, who was the most powerful of all the Jedi and all the Sith except for Revan? Or the fact that Revan was the most powerful of his time?

I rank Revan to be slightly less than Asajj. How you rank him doesn't matter, especially with Revan, because, we need facts to back it up. Mace has Vapaad, Shatterpoint, and decades of experience. Revan has a mask.

Man, there's been over a hundred arguments of how good Revan is, and you compare him with Asajj??? Then what's Malak then, equavalent to Kit Fisto???

*Single handedly defeated a seismic tank on Dantooine.
*Only ever beaten by Yoda and Dooku.
*Beat Greivous in lightsaber combat.
*Outclassed Asajj in combat, even when she used her double bladed lightsaber.
*Shatterpoint.
*Vaapad.
*Easily outclassed Quinlain Vos in combat.
*Left Sora Bulq in a pile of debris.
*Said to be on par with Yoda (he isn't as good, but he sure is close).
*Survived Geonosis (and the rest of the Clone Wars).
*Killed Jango Fett.
*Beat Sidious in lightsaber combat and was able to hold off his lightning for a good time.
*Has used force crush and other direct assaults with the force.

There are those and many more.
Revan was able to (sneak his way through the Star Forge?, and) beat Malak after an "Epic duel."(Suggesting that it was close).

Originally posted by Quinlan_Vos
Man, there's been over a hundred arguments of how good Revan is, and you compare him with Asajj??? Then what's Malak then, equavalent to Kit Fisto???

I was just giving an example. You need to prove up with facts, not just say "He was as good as Yoda so he wins."

Originally posted by jollyjim311
*Single handedly defeated a seismic tank on Dantooine.
*Only ever beaten by Yoda and Dooku.
*Beat Greivous in lightsaber combat.
*Outclassed Asajj in combat, even when she used her double bladed lightsaber.
*Shatterpoint.
*Vaapad.
*Easily outclassed Quinlain Vos in combat.
*Left Sora Bulq in a pile of debris.
*Said to be on par with Yoda (he isn't as good, but he sure is close).
*Survived Geonosis (and the rest of the Clone Wars).
*Killed Jango Fett.
*Beat Sidious in lightsaber combat and was able to hold off his lightning for a good time.
*Has used force crush and other direct assaults with the force.

There are those and many more.
Revan was able to (sneak his way through the Star Forge?, and) beat Malak after an "Epic duel."(Suggesting that it was close).

Yet logical deduction suggests that Malak was probably at his best, as good as Dooku, while a Star Forge powered +8 Jedi powered Malak>>>Dooku. So what does this say about Revan?

Show me the logic then.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Show me the logic then.

Malak was the second most powerful jedi in an order of thousands, second most powerful sith in an order of thousands, it has often been argued on this forum that a regular Malak is most likely equal to Dooku, maybe even at best. But then you have a star forge powered Malak who drained the life of 8 Jedi, and Revan still beat him. Now unless you are arguing that Dooku>SF powered+8 Jedi powered Malak, then it's safe to say Revan>Dooku. So tell me again how Mace>Revan?

'*Single handedly defeated a seismic tank on Dantooine.'

Revan was able to kill two Tarentateks at once. 🙂

'*Only ever beaten by Yoda and Dooku.'

Revan was undefeated as far as we know, and his era saw far more jedi-dark jedi combat than Mace's did.

'*Outclassed Asajj in combat, even when she used her double bladed lightsaber.'

Revan was basically head and shoulders above everybody in his era, an era with many saber staff wielding jedi.

'*Beat Greivous in lightsaber combat.'

As did Obi-Wan, man that dude must have been a god with a saber.

'*Killed Jango Fett.'

Revan killed Cassus Fett. 🙂

'Revan was able to (sneak his way through the Star Forge?,'

Right, Revan was able to sneak his way through a fortress full of force sensitives. [/sarcasm]

'beat Malak after an "Epic duel."(Suggesting that it was close).'

Malak was exceptional under normal conditions, in their 'epic' duel, he was powered by the SF making him extremely more powerful. Malak even comments that Revan may have become invincible if he were to have unlocked the full secrets of the SF - now this either speaks incredibly for the added power of the SF, or for Revan, either way it strengthens my argument.

Might I add that your argument seems to be riding on the fact that there is more source material concerning Mace than there is Revan?

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Malak was the second most powerful jedi in an order of thousands, second most powerful sith in an order of thousands, it has often been argued on this forum that a regular Malak is most likely equal to Dooku, maybe even at best. But then you have a star forge powered Malak who drained the life of 8 Jedi, and Revan still beat him. Now unless you are arguing that Dooku>SF powered+8 Jedi powered Malak, then it's safe to say Revan>Dooku. So tell me again how Mace>Revan?

Not bad nebaris.

Why thank you, I thought it was pretty good myself.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Not bad nebaris.

...You posted that...

Originally posted by jollyjim311
...You posted that...

Uhh.. Ok? And your rebuttal is where?

Nice job Sith'ari.

Easily outclassed Quinlain Vos in combat.

Pfff, what's that supposed to mean??? And why use me as one of your examples, how rude 😠 !!! I was mad at the time, and well...... I guess Master Windu is a level higher than mine 😕 .

Double post. Look down.

Lol, good job Sith'ari and DS!

Originally posted by jollyjim311
*Single handedly defeated a seismic tank on Dantooine.
*Only ever beaten by Yoda and Dooku.
*Beat Greivous in lightsaber combat.
*Outclassed Asajj in combat, even when she used her double bladed lightsaber.
*Shatterpoint.
*Vaapad.
*Easily outclassed Quinlain Vos in combat.
*Left Sora Bulq in a pile of debris.
*Said to be on par with Yoda (he isn't as good, but he sure is close).
*Survived Geonosis (and the rest of the Clone Wars).
*Killed Jango Fett.
*Beat Sidious in lightsaber combat and was able to hold off his lightning for a good time.
*Has used force crush and other direct assaults with the force.

There are those and many more.
Revan was able to (sneak his way through the Star Forge?, and) beat Malak after an "Epic duel."(Suggesting that it was close).

... Does that not count? And if Malak was unchallenged, why'd he lose his jaw in lightsaber combat.

Sorry for the double post, it gave me the "Page cannot be displayed " thing.

Yeah, so some freak ambitious Sith ambushes him and cuts off his jaw. Then Malak pwns him.

I think the battle will turn into ROTS Obi Wan versus Kyle Katarn while Revan duels Mace.

Kyle is a better duelist and force user than Obi Wan, chances are the battle would be in his favour. But this does not matter, since all Obi Wan needs to do is stall Katarn.

Revan is stronger than Mace with respect to using the force, and in saber combat they are both about equal. (Mace has Vaapad and Revan has Echani Precognition)

Either Revan kills Mace first using his superiour force abilities (powerful forms of force lightning, more potent than the ones used by ROTS Sidious), or Katarn kills Kenobi (which will take more time I believe)

Logic dictates that it would take Katarn time to defeat Kenobi, since Obi Wan is the soresu master (style used for defense, defending against Katarn, he could buy time for Revan).

Afterwards Revan comes to Obi Wan's side and together the duo defeats Katarn.