Originally posted by Darth Sexy
How was Revan SF powered? It's a tool of the darkside, by the time Revan fought Malak he was a Jedi, so no he wasn't powered.
Alll Obi-Wan needs to do is survive long enough for Revan to kill someone. However, even if Obi-Wan dies, Revan will still manage to kill someone and then take on someone else. Anyway:
If Obi-Wan dies, Revan gets killed (however he might take someone with him)
If Kyle or Mace die, Revan and Obi-Wan pawn the survivor.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Nai you are forgetting that Revan beat a STAR FORGE powered Malak, not just Malak. I can't quantify his power with the SF but zephiel provided an idea of just how powerful you have to be to control the SF.
Obviously you want to argue against facts, huh ? The Star Forge was powered up by Malak's power (see the little scene were he talks about how efficient the SF is working under him) and not vice versa.
It was most likely Revan, they did fight each other once they turned to the dark side.
Yes, because Revan totally qualifies as "Jedi" when they were both using the Dark Side, correct ?
Alll Obi-Wan needs to do is survive long enough for Revan to kill someone.
Revan is clearly not even able to take one of the enemy team down on his own. Much less in a time that the other will need to strike down Obi-Wan. Dooku freaking TOOLED him in less than a minute.
Revan is clearly not even able to take one of the enemy team down on his own. Much less in a time that the other will need to strike down Obi-Wan. Dooku freaking TOOLED him in less than a minute.
In AOTC, he gets tooled because he didn't master Soresu.
IN ROTS, he gets tooled because he was using offensive attacks, plus he had to fight with the Anakin's Djem So (the polar opposite form), which takes up a lot of room. If it was one on one, Obi-Wan would have lost, but he certainly wouldn't be tooled.
Originally posted by Borbarad
Obviously you want to argue against facts, huh ? The Star Forge was powered up by Malak's power (see the little scene were he talks about how efficient the SF is working under him) and not vice versa.
Arguing against facts huh? I guess you missed the part where the SF is being described as a tool of the darkside, that you must be very powerful in the darkside to control it, and that so far anyone who's tried to control the SF has been destroyed. The star forge made Malak more powerful, so where am I arguing with facts?
Yes, because Revan totally qualifies as "Jedi" when they were both using the Dark Side, correct ?
Uh yea, the canon light side ending has Revan as a Jedi defeating a star forge powered Malak. So I ask you, when were they both using the dark side? Unless of course you yourself consider gameplay canon..
Originally posted by Quinlan_Vos
In AOTC, he gets tooled because he didn't master Soresu.IN ROTS, he gets tooled because he was using offensive attacks, plus he had to fight with the Anakin's Djem So (the polar opposite form), which takes up a lot of room. If it was one on one, Obi-Wan would have lost, but he certainly wouldn't be tooled.
Yes. Because Mace and Kyle would never dare to use offensive force powers against Obi-Wan or at all, correct ? Oh wait...there is the fact that Mace force crushed Grievous and - in the Dark Side ending of Jedi Academy, Kyle force pushes Jaden across the room.
@Sexy:
Arguing against facts huh? I guess you missed the part where the SF is being described as a tool of the darkside, that you must be very powerful in the darkside to control it, and that so far anyone who's tried to control the SF has been destroyed. The star forge made Malak more powerful, so where am I arguing with facts?
Are you really that blind. If you need to be powerful in order to control the SF than obviously it wouldn't give you power but instead weaken you because you have to keep it under control. And it's never stated that the SF increases the power of anybody. Just that it's a powerful artifact of the Dark Side.
Uh yea, the canon light side ending has Revan as a Jedi defeating a star forge powered Malak. So I ask you, when were they both using the dark side? Unless of course you yourself consider gameplay canon..
Nice way to ignore the point, idiot. Malak's jaw was cut off by a Jedi. The jaw was already removed when Revan did fight him, and in their first fight, Revan wasn't a Jedi. So obviously it was not Revan who did it.
People shouldn't bring out the Dark vs. Light ending for Revan, he may have been Lightside Canon by the Star Wars RP, but it's technically up to the Player, unless you address both sides in a way like....
Dark Side Revan beats/loses vs. him
Lightside Revan beats/loses vs. him
you shouldn't pull that
Revan was described as The HEART of the Force, the person would have to be pretty damn powerful to have that title. The Starforge needs someone of great power in order for it to be used, or they're "consumed" as stated by a Sith Holocron of Bastila in KoToR 2 should you choose Revan as Dark Male. Malak may have been an idiot, but he was Powerful.
Revan > Mace/Kyle
Obi-Wan < Mace
Obviously you want to argue against facts, huh ? The Star Forge was powered up by Malak's power (see the little scene were he talks about how efficient the SF is working under him) and not vice versa.
Bullshit. Malak references Revan as being 'stupid' because he did not understand the true power of the darkise (which was to empower any force user strong enough to use it). Other Sith Lords were mentioned trying to use said battle station, but were obliterated by its power.
Revan is clearly not even able to take one of the enemy team down on his own. Much less in a time that the other will need to strike down Obi-Wan. Dooku freaking TOOLED him in less than a minute.
Right, and tell me why would Darth Revan not be able to take down Mace. Mace was barely able to defend against ROTS Sidious' force lightning, so please, explain how he can withstand Revan's force abilities which were described as lightning arching from the sky (not the wielders fingertips). This resembles a force storm.
Also describe how Mace has a significant advantage with his Vaapad, considering Revan's Echani precognition (being able to perceive the melee attacks made by an opponent before they actually do it).
Revan is clearly not even able to take one of the enemy team down on his own. Much less in a time that the other will need to strike down Obi-Wan. Dooku freaking TOOLED him in less than a minute.
Oh wow. Obi Wan "greatest Soresu master of the PT" Kenobi cannot strategically prolong a duel so that help can arrive to his side? Dooku threw Kenobi around because Kenobi was using an offensive stance, which was clearly not his area of expertise.
Show how Mace can delfect Revan's superiour lightning. Explain how is Vaapad can defeat Revan's superiour precognition.
How I see it, Revan defeats Mace, and meanwhile, Katarn is pushing Obi Wan around. Afterwards Revan would come to Kenobi's side and take down Katarn.
Originally posted by Borbarad
Nice way to ignore the point, idiot. Malak's jaw was cut off by a Jedi. The jaw was already removed when Revan did fight him, and in their first fight, Revan wasn't a Jedi. So obviously it was not Revan who did it.
Hey dumbshit, I never stated Revan was the one who cut off the jaw of Malak. Learn to use reading comprehension. By your post you seemed like you were referring to Revan and Malak's epic duel in which you claim Revan used the dark side. Obviously if this is the case, I suggest that you replay the game before making moronic posts and insults towards me.
A question Zephiel...
Soresu or not, how would Obi-Wan's force defence depend on what kind of sword style he uses? He was not taken down by Dooku's swordsmanship, but his force mastery. And the novelisation says Obi-Wan's Soresu use was to much for Dooku to break through quickly in a duel, so he relied on the force instead. That means Obi did use Soresu...
And Revan's lightning is superior to who's???
'Are you really that blind. If you need to be powerful in order to control the SF than obviously it wouldn't give you power but instead weaken you because you have to keep it under control. And it's never stated that the SF increases the power of anybody. Just that it's a powerful artifact of the Dark Side.'
Malak states that Revan would have perhaps become invincible if he had learnt to harness the full power of the SF, so it clearly does power up the user who is controlling it.
Originally posted by jollyjim311
*Single handedly defeated a seismic tank on Dantooine.
*Only ever beaten by Yoda and Dooku.
*Beat Greivous in lightsaber combat.
*Outclassed Asajj in combat, even when she used her double bladed lightsaber.
*Shatterpoint.
*Vaapad.
*Easily outclassed Quinlain Vos in combat.
*Left Sora Bulq in a pile of debris.
*Said to be on par with Yoda (he isn't as good, but he sure is close).
*Survived Geonosis (and the rest of the Clone Wars).
*Killed Jango Fett.
*Beat Sidious in lightsaber combat and was able to hold off his lightning for a good time.
*Has used force crush and other direct assaults with the force.There are those and many more.
Revan was able to (sneak his way through the Star Forge?, and) beat Malak after an "Epic duel."(Suggesting that it was close).
Okay, using those facts, give facts as to why Revan has a chance against Mace. Things that can be put in comparison. Things that we can accurately base his power on.