Robert Spencer: Islam as a peaceful religion is "hogwash".
Watching C-SPAN right now, Robert Spencer basically just said that anyone saying that Islam is a religion of peace is full of crap and probably hasn't read the Qu'Ran. Frankly, I'm surprised that anyone had the balls to make such a statement.
What does everyone think about this?
Re: Robert Spencer: Islam as a peaceful religion is "hogwash".
Originally posted by FeceMan
Watching C-SPAN right now, Robert Spencer basically just said that anyone saying that Islam is a religion of peace is full of crap and probably hasn't read the Qu'Ran. Frankly, I'm surprised that anyone had the balls to make such a statement.What does everyone think about this?
Well, it is certainly statement that can be made, and there are valid reasons for it, though it is far from comprehensive or truly accurate. No more so then Christianity is a truly and irrevocably violent religion. Interpretation, and the actions of certain minorities or majorities in the religion lead to such an impression.
Do I believe Islam is peaceful? No. Do I believe it is violent? No. I believe the opportunity exists within it for both to be true. Same with Christianity. The religious texts in question can often be interpreted both peacfully and violently. Both texts make reference to violent acts (technically the having more mentions of violence then the Koran) and both have shown to be interpretable in such a way as to promote it. Which is most unfortunate.
Originally posted by FeceMan
Watching C-SPAN right now, Robert Spencer basically just said that anyone saying that Islam is a religion of peace is full of crap and probably hasn't read the Qu'Ran. Frankly, I'm surprised that anyone had the balls to make such a statement.What does everyone think about this?
Very interesting.
Why do you believe it takes balls to make such a statement? You can make bold statements regarding Buddhists, Christians, Athiests, Pagans...all the time? What, in your view, makes Islam different?
This is not an attack, just an interesting question.
Hmmm....freedom of speech. A lot of people forgot it, and buried it in an avalanche of pathetic excuses justified by ''political corectness''.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Very interesting.Why do you believe it takes balls to make such a statement? You can make bold statements regarding Buddhists, Christians, Athiests, Pagans...all the time? What, in your view, makes Islam different?
This is not an attack, just an interesting question.
Hmmm....freedom of speech. A lot of people forgot it, and buried it in an avalanche of pathetic excuses justified by ''political corectness''.
Just ask Salman Rushdie. 😄
Re: Robert Spencer: Islam as a peaceful religion is "hogwash".
Originally posted by FeceMan
Watching C-SPAN right now, Robert Spencer basically just said that anyone saying that Islam is a religion of peace is full of crap and probably hasn't read the Qu'Ran. Frankly, I'm surprised that anyone had the balls to make such a statement.What does everyone think about this?
It is just so much more cmoplex then saying Islam is a violent religion. Yes there are a couple of things that are questionable, I will not deny that, but most things I see on internet websites that condemn Islam are usually taken out of context or just purely made up :/, like the Chicktracts for example.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Very interesting.Why do you believe it takes balls to make such a statement? You can make bold statements regarding Buddhists, Christians, Athiests, Pagans...all the time? What, in your view, makes Islam different?
This is not an attack, just an interesting question.
Hmmm....freedom of speech. A lot of people forgot it, and buried it in an avalanche of pathetic excuses justified by ''political corectness''.
Why should making bold, baseless and blatantly offend prone comments even be encouraged?
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Originally posted by Alliance
Becuase that concept was created to protect outside opinons...not mainstream ones.Why dont you just fight his logic instead of denying him the ability to speak.
His logic would be worth fighting had it contained any logic at all.
Speech is a powerful tool. With great power comes great responsibility. If your idea of freedom is to unleash people with foolish tendancies to act on their 'logic', then go ahead and do so. I assure you not much good can come out of it.😬 Its pointless, and stupid really.
It doesnt have logic.
Freedom is freedom. Its the risk we take. You have to risk the impossible negative consequences to maintain a great idea that many people dont really understand.
You can take away his right to speak, but whats to stop it from happening again, and again, and again?
If its pointless and stupid, its not that hard to fight back against that type of ignorance. Education. If his point is wrong, it wont survive, and then you wont have to worry about its negative consequences any more.
And no ones rights were taken away in the process.
Originally posted by Alliance
Islam is no more violent than any other religion.
I cannot recall last time I saw a group of Baptists or Jews or Hindus which stood in front of Arabian Embassy threatening to burn it and kill all its followers.
Originally posted by Punkyhermy
Why should making bold, [B]baseless and blatantly offend prone comments even be encouraged?
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Because its freedom of speech, and as that he can, and should be able to say whatever the hell he likes. Its beauty and its curse of it come hand in hand, I think you'll find.
Wanna talk about ignorance and education?
Sure.
I say it again, please, read the Qur'an. Because arguing for or against it, largely depends on it.
And not only does it depend on reading the Qur'an, but it depends on reading the history of religion.
Making baseless ''politically correct'' assumptions on what a lot of people think might be true is very counter productive.
A lot of people make baseless and pointless assumtiopns regarding Christianity. Allience, you areincluded in such.
Yet when it comes to Islam, there are certain things people are not allwoed to say. They can say whever the hell they like.
Adn I understand why.
I begun to understand this when a barbaric murder of Theo Van Gogh happen, when the cartoons of muhammad in danish news papers happened, when bombs in France and Spain happened...
I understood it far more then, then i did previously.
You cannot say anything about Islam, because you will get killed for it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theo_van_Gogh_(film_director)
What do you think would happen if someone tried to publish the book which would be an Islamic equal to Da Vinci code, and further more, what would happen to the person who would decide to make a movie, an Islamic equal of Da Vinci code?
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Fanatical Christianity or fanatical Judaism is just as stupid as fanatical Islam, but its far less likely than Islam to, at present at least, to act in a violent barbarious way.
Then really, you must remember that is is an exceedingly recent historical phenomenon, one that has only really been in existance since the Iranian revolution in '79.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I cannot recall last time I saw a group of Baptists or Jews or Hindus which stood in front of Arabian Embassy threatening to burn it and kill all its followers.
Jews are such a religious minority, they dont have the power to gain a fantaical base.
You can consider Born Agains political terrorists, they certainly have the ideology. The IRA and ETA have had attacks since '79. And frankly, I dont know enough about radical Hinduism to make any comment on it, however, I'm sure it exists/has existed.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Very interesting.Why do you believe it takes balls to make such a statement? You can make bold statements regarding Buddhists, Christians, Athiests, Pagans...all the time? What, in your view, makes Islam different?
This is not an attack, just an interesting question.
Hmmm....freedom of speech. A lot of people forgot it, and buried it in an avalanche of pathetic excuses justified by ''political corectness''.
As far as Islam being on equal footing with Christianity in regards to violence: that simply isn't true. There is no open-ended statement in the Bible telling Christians to kill non-Christians. There were times in the past where Yahweh ordered the killing of certain groups of people, but it was not a "slaughter all the unbelievers throughout history" thing.
Now, as far as violent acts committed by Christians and Muslims...that's a different story.
Originally posted by FeceMan
It just seems to happen rarely in televised media, at least from what I've seen.As far as Islam being on equal footing with Christianity in regards to violence: that simply isn't true. There is no open-ended statement in the Bible telling Christians to kill non-Christians. There were times in the past where Yahweh ordered the killing of certain groups of people, but it was not a "slaughter all the unbelievers throughout history" thing.
Now, as far as violent acts committed by Christians and Muslims...that's a different story.
Deuteronomy 13:6-10If your brother, your mother's son, your son or daughter, the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly saying, "Let us go and serve other gods (whom neither you nor your fathers have known, of the gods of the peoples who are around you, near you or far from you, from one end of the earth to the other end)," you shall not yield to him or listen to him, and your eye shall not pity him, nor shall you spare or conceal him.
But you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.
So you shall stone him to death because he has sought to seduce you from the LORD your God who brought you out from the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.