Originally posted by Alliance
No. I don't think so. I stated that violence in general is neither good nor bad.If I missed other statements, I apologize for not reading carefully.
All religions have ups and downs, and Islam is simply not just "discriminatory and violent ideology."
I would defend any religon as such.
No comment.
Originally posted by Alliance
No. I don't think so. I stated that violence in general is neither good nor bad.If I missed other statements, I apologize for not reading carefully.
All religions have ups and downs, and Islam is simply not just "discriminatory and violent ideology."
I would defend any religon as such.
Any religion except Christianity. Thats the impressions your posts give. I cannot claim about how you really feel, of course.
I bash on Chrstianity much harder because that is the religous nature of most zealots on this forum. I have a porblem with people who believe that religon can only be interpreted one way. In my nation...and on theis forum...this tends to be more of a Christian problem.
I have more respect for Christianity's positive aspects than I give off.
Its more fun to be a polarizing figure...
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Independent thought?My independent thought is that of that I dont buy the bulshit of ''islam is a religion of peace''
As far as I can read, its not. Anything which encourages violence AT ANY level, is not peaceful. End of story.
Qur'an talks nothing of spirituality, [b]tolerance
and acceptance.Religion of peace? Try Zen, Taoism, Buddhism, even Hinduism. None of these religions can claim that anyone missunderstood, missquoted or taken out of context?
Why is noone taking Buddhism out of context? Because there is nothing which encourages violence.
Islam, as I pointed out above, does that. Taking out of context is a bad attempt to justify discriminatory and violent ideology. [/B]
wtf are you talking about?
🤨
'Islam', the word itself is derived from the arabic word "Salaam" which means peace. I'm no muslim scholar of sorts, but that its ideas are not intended to encourage harm oor destruction of humanity is still clear to me.
It strikes me that you do not know anything about the Quran or the history behind this religion you are bent on shredding based on narrow minded observations. It is very easy to quote aforementioned, very misinterpretation prone words and build an under developed, illiterate theory about this but that is all this will remain. Nothing more, nothing less. 😬
Qur'an talks nothing of spirituality, tolerance and acceptance.
LMFAO.
ahaha. *ahem* okay.
If that is seriously and honestly what you have to say. Then I can whole heartedly and without a moment's hesitation dub you completely unqualified for debate. 😬
In the future, it would do both sides well if you actually bothered getting into a debate with something other than preconcieved, under developed ideas. 😉
Qur'an talks nothing of spirituality, tolerance and acceptance.
And you say you know about the Qur'an, before that statement I was reading what you said and though I did not agree with you, I understood where you came from cause it is realy easy to not get the Qur'an, there is alot of history and some of the violent passages are not easy to explain over a forum(I know this because I had them explained to me) but after that statement you made above I just have to laugh.
Originally posted by Punkyhermy
wtf are you talking about?
🤨'Islam', the word itself is derived from the arabic word "Salaam" which means peace. I'm no muslim scholar of sorts, but that its ideas are not intended to encourage harm oor destruction of humanity is still clear to me.
And Nazi sign, swastika, derived from Buddhist and Hinduist religions which means peace.
And? Does that make it peaceful?
Where the word derived from means nothing. Silly argument.
Originally posted by Punkyhermy
It strikes me that you do not know anything about the Quran or the history behind this religion you are bent on shredding based on narrow minded observations. It is very easy to quote aforementioned, very misinterpretation prone words and build an under developed, illiterate theory about this but that is all this will remain. Nothing more, nothing less. 😬
I know more then enough about the history of religion and Qur'an. I know about the raids Muhammad conducted agains the random tribes, brutal treatment of pagans and women.
Wanna talk about the history?
Wanna talk about a man who claims hes a prophet? how about a story of Jawairiyah, Rayhanah and Safiyah?
That shows me REAL compassion within Islam.
For those unfamiliar with the story -
Jawairiyah, Rayhanah and Safiyah were beautiful young girls who were captured when the prophet raided the tribes of Banu al-Mustaliq, Qurayza and Nadir. The prophet slew their husbands, fathers and their male relatives and let his men rape them while he kept the prettiest for himself and raped her in the same day while they were still in the shock of the loss of their loved ones.
The above is in a Hadith, and not my own made up claim.
LMFAO.ahaha. *ahem* okay.
If that is seriously and honestly what you have to say. Then I can whole heartedly and without a moment's hesitation dub you completely unqualified for debate. 😬
In the future, it would do both sides well if you actually bothered getting into a debate with something other than preconcieved, under developed ideas. 😉 [/B]
Really?
But the fact that my family has extensive Muslim background, makes me more then ''someone who doesnt know anything''.
I've seen it first hand, I've read the Qur'an, I read the Hadiths, I know the Sharia.
Please read the Quran and the original history of Muhammad.
Not the history written by today's unscrupulous apologists of Islam but the history written by the early historians. Read the book of Al Waqidi, Ibn Ishaq and Al Tabari's.
Qur'an does not recognise any other religion -
qur'an 003.085
YUSUFALI: If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good).
PICKTHAL: And whoso seeketh as religion other than the Surrender (to Allah) it will not be accepted from him, and he will be a loser in the Hereafter.
SHAKIR: And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers.
I think this is pretty plain, and very hard to be taken out of context.
Your prohpet says that 'anyone who desires any other religion other than Islam is not to be accepted''.
Pretty straight forward, I'd say.
Originally posted by crazy
And you say you know about the Qur'an, before that statement I was reading what you said and though I did not agree with you, I understood where you came from cause it is realy easy to not get the Qur'an, there is alot of history and some of the violent passages are not easy to explain over a forum(I know this because I had them explained to me) but after that statement you made above I just have to laugh.
Ok, so you admit there are violent passages, and your understanding is ''its hard to explain over the forum''
Seems pretty straight forward to me. ''Kill'', is the overall message i got.
Perhaps you could help me out then.
Please show me where spirituality in the Qur'an is.
Show me where the compassion and tolerance for Pagans or people of any other religion or belief is.
Where does the Qur'an preach of non violent resolution?
Where does it talk of diplomacy?
Originally posted by PunkyhermyIf that is seriously and honestly what you have to say. Then I can whole heartedly and without a moment's hesitation dub you completely unqualified for debate. 😬
In the future, it would do both sides well if you actually bothered getting into a debate with something other than preconcieved, under developed ideas. 😉
Hey you know what you're just messing around and ignoring what she has to say. I put up a post and you have not replied to it. This is why sometimes I cant be bothered with people like you because no matter what we say you will find some way of ignoring it.
I converted to Islam and was a muslim for six years. I am not a scholar and I dont have any of my old books but I probably know more than your average muslim.
Im not really motiavated to have this debate but since you want to be a hardcase you can answer these questions
Originally posted by Alfheim
Didn't the Pagan Arabs say that it was ok if he worshiiped one god but leave us to worship many?Why did Abu Talib a pagan who defended Mohammed still go to hell?
Why did Mohammed smash the Idols in the Kabah?
Why is it that polygamy in Arabia was rare until Islam and Mohammed has twenty wives?
What does the Quran say about Abraham who smashed Idols in a temple?
Why is it when muslim invaders came to India they went around destroying idols in temples?
Also, to add to Alfheim's questions -
Pagan women were allowed to lead a business (mohammad's first wife was a widow who ead her own business) and be preiestesses.
Why were women forbiden to lead a business and be preistesses after Muhammad introduced Islam?
Why did Muhammad and his followers raid tribes and houses?
Why did he marry a 6 year old Aisha, who had his child when she was 9, while he was 45 years old?
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Also, to add to Alfheim's questions -Pagan women were allowed to lead a business (mohammad's first wife was a widow who ead her own business) and be preiestesses.
Why were women forbiden to lead a business and be preistesses after Muhammad introduced Islam?Why did Muhammad and his followers raid tribes and houses?
Why did he marry a 6 year old Aisha, who had his child when she was 9, while he was 45 years old?
You know what I mean. Im being nice, I didn't even want to bring that stuff up. We should basically leave it at that and not say another word.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
...Hmmm....freedom of speech. A lot of people forgot it, and buried it in an avalanche of pathetic excuses justified by ''political corectness''.
How do I say what I "really" want to say without stepping on lil...'s toes? I guess I will have to defer to the old adage: if you do not have anything good to say then don't say anything at all. No, wait, I do have something good to say. Freedom of Speech is still alive and well in the U.S., just not on this forum with respect to Chick Tracts. (was I diplomatic or was I diplomatic. You cannot get anymore tactful than that).
Well, time to get banned and get my account restricted. I just wanna say that my work is done here. It has been real though. I will miss all of you. I will continue to pray for all of you because I want to see all of you in Heaven soon (Jesus is returning very soon). So with that said I must do what I always do: not back down from anyone especially a moderator. I am fully aware of the consequences of defying a moderator's rule. But I must make a point. I am going out of here on my terms and not because some moderator somewhere clicked a button on their mouse. If you are going to ban Chick Tracts then you should ban a lot of other links. I have seen people post caricatures of God with impunity. I have witnessed people started threads with blasphemous titles without fear. I have read some of the most vile posts (replete with vulgarity, profanity, and crasness) directed towards me and others (posts that should never have seen the light of day). I have even had moderators write vulgar posts aimed at me. I know many of you will draw your conclusions about me after I depart this site for good. Just know that I left on my terms and not on anyone else's. I refuse to have my Freedom of Speech subverted by a moderator with no scruples. My goal is that that moderator be ashamed and reflective about the decision to curtail Freedom of Speech. I really hope that that moderator never...ever...ever, ever, ever runs for any political office. I want to name of many of you one by one and wish you well but I would be here forever, there are too many of you. So that said you all take care. Now, I will make my point:
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0006/0006_01.asp (Somebody loves you)
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1018/1018_01.asp (unloved?)
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0085/0085_01.asp (A love story)
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0001/0001_01.asp (This was your life guys)
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0055/0055_01.asp (we descended from apes?)
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0020/0020_01.asp (am I a fool?)
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1021/1021_01.asp (what?)
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1002/1002_01.asp (I do know it all)
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0061/0061_01.asp (mormonism)
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0093/0093_01.asp (masonry)
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/5022/5022_01.asp (masons)
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0016/0016_01.asp (Buddah?)
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0042/0042_01.asp (islam?)
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1004/1004_01.asp (islam??)
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1011/1011_01.asp (islam???)
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0070/0070_01.asp (hinduism?)
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0026/0026_01.asp (Jehovah's Witnesses?)
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0084/0084_01.asp (Homosexuality)
Yes, God loves the homosexual, bisexual, and lesbian but not their homosexual mindset or lifestyle. It is an abomination. God (the Creator of human beings) made us male and female for a reason. Homosexuality is not natural, norrmal, or acceptable to God. But God still loves the homosexual, He just hates the sin of homosexuality. His Word (the holy Bible) condemns it. The word "phobic" denotes "fear of" something. Hence the terms arachnaphobia (fear of spiders) and acrophobia (fear of heights). Why the suffix -phobic or -phobia is used in connection with homosexuals is a mystery to me. The two words don't even apply to the word homosexual. People say homophobic or homophobia. But these terms are misnomers. My objection to the homosexual lifestyle and mindset is not engendered by fear; it is based on God's Word (the Standard that I live by). God is not homophobic either (what would God have to be afraid of?). People are not opposed to homosexuality (the lifestyle) because of any fear, the are against it because it is a sin (it is just plain wrong). I am not afraid of homosexuals, I am opposed to their lifestyle. There is a King Kong-size difference between being "against" and being "afraid" of something. If I was afraid of homosexuality I would never so much as open my mouth in protest about it--ever. I would be to afraid to. But yet that is what the homosexual community wants us to think. That if we object to their lifestyle then we must be afraid of them. No, not at all. The word fear and homosexual have zero correlation. Similarly, people have a proclivity to use the word hate in connection with those who object to the homosexual lifestyle. In their ignorance and lack of good diction they fail to understand that not approving of something has nothing to do with hate. The only person that I hate is satan, and the only thing that I hate is sin. Hating something and objecting to something are two totally different concepts altogether. But the average person is not able to make that distinction. They feel so strongly about homosexuality that any ideas or comments in stark contrast to it must be hate or fear. I cannot help it if that person's mind (understanding) is not developed enough to make a distinction between two totally different terms.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
"really"
you don't have to "really" say what you think...because everyone knows what you really think. You fullfill the stereotype very well...and that's because you're cliche. You haven't been able to comment on your religion without talking about homosexuality once since I started talking shit to you. And that really is sad. If you could truely fall back on your god and your faith, then homosexuality would be a non-issue for your agenda, as it has been in the weeks before. But it has been, very much so, for the last few days.
You're pathetic, just like your "god" and your perspective.
Re: Robert Spencer: Islam as a peaceful religion is "hogwash".
Originally posted by FeceMan
Watching C-SPAN right now, Robert Spencer basically just said that anyone saying that Islam is a religion of peace is full of crap and probably hasn't read the Qu'Ran. Frankly, I'm surprised that anyone had the balls to make such a statement.What does everyone think about this?
I think that anyone who believes the Christian religion is all about peace and love try neighbour hasn't read the Bible. 🙄
The point is: no matter what the text says, you don't have to agree with it or follow its advice on EVERYTHING.
Muhammad was a soldier. Of COURSE the Qur'an is going to have elements of violence in it. It doesn't make Islam any less of a relgion. It just needs a STRONG response to fundamentalism. Christianity is similar in this resepect.