Robert Spencer: Islam as a peaceful religion is "hogwash".

Originally posted by FeceMan
As far as Islam being on equal footing with Christianity in regards to violence: that simply isn't true. There is no open-ended statement in the Bible telling Christians to kill non-Christians. There were times in the past where Yahweh ordered the killing of certain groups of people, but it was not a "slaughter all the unbelievers throughout history" thing.

A recent university study compared the Bible and Koran on a number of issues, including the: advocacy of violence, stories dealing with violence, war, etc.

Now the Bible came up with a higher number of lines where violence was advised, implied or used then the Koran.

I never cared much for the Old Testament myself...

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
A recent university study compared the Bible and Koran on a number of issues, including the: advocacy of violence, stories dealing with violence, war, etc.

Now the Bible came up with a higher number of lines where violence was advised, implied or used then the Koran.

Can I see this study? And I beleive you but curious anyway.

Originally posted by crazy
Can I see this study? And I beleive you but curious anyway.

Originally posted by Alliance
Then really, you must remember that is is an exceedingly recent historical phenomenon, one that has only really been in existance since the Iranian revolution in '79.

Jews are such a religious minority, they dont have the power to gain a fantaical base.

You can consider Born Agains political terrorists, they certainly have the ideology. The IRA and ETA have had attacks since '79. And frankly, I dont know enough about radical Hinduism to make any comment on it, however, I'm sure it exists/has existed.

I agree, recent in the matter that it has taken political turn in Iran. Islamic extremism, however didn't come from Middle East. It came from Egypt.

Radical Hinduism does exist, as i suspect you might have already guessed. However its impact is rarely reflected on the non-followers of Hinduism, in relation to Islam or Christianity.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
A recent university study compared the Bible and Koran on a number of issues, including the: advocacy of violence, stories dealing with violence, war, etc.

Now the Bible came up with a higher number of lines where violence was advised, implied or used then the Koran.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
A recent university study compared the Bible and Koran on a number of issues, including the: advocacy of violence, stories dealing with violence, war, etc.

Now the Bible came up with a higher number of lines where violence was advised, implied or used then the Koran.

Hmm, not exactly. Quran is barely half of the Bible in lenght.

The focus of modern Islam has changed from what it originally intended to do. Ilm which means knowledge was the main priority and then after a long period of time the interpretations changed and jihad which originally meant struggle now came to mean holy war. I think that if Islam had maintained its original interpretations of the koran that there would not be as much fundamentalist stuff.

Doesn't this thread fit under the misunderstood religion thread? It seems to be the same intent from the opposing side.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Hmm, not exactly. Quran is barely half of the Bible in lenght.

You seem to make make many bold statements about this book. So I'm curious, ever read like even a line from it? 😕

Originally posted by Punkyhermy
You seem to make make many bold statements about this book. So I'm curious, ever read like even a line from it? 😕

One would hope so since she told everyone else to read it.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Wanna talk about ignorance and education?
Sure.

I say it again, please, read the Qur'an. Because arguing for or against it, largely depends on it.
And not only does it depend on reading the Qur'an, but it depends on reading the history of religion.

Making baseless ''politically correct'' assumptions on what a lot of people think might be true is very counter productive.

A lot of people make baseless and pointless assumtiopns regarding Christianity.

Originally posted by Punkyhermy
You seem to make make many bold statements about this book. So I'm curious, ever read like even a line from it? 😕

Ha! Good one.

Not only have I read Qur'an, MANY times over, I have accompanied it with Hadiths too.
In fact, certain verses, I know by heart. (in English of course)

Have you ever read the book, because I have never seen you quote the book to rebuke anything I said.

I can quote, and i have quoted numerous times Qur'an to support all my statements.

If you have indeed read the qur'an then you'll know, it is considerably shorter than the Bible.

Originally posted by docb77
One would hope so since she told everyone else to read it.

On top of that, I think I have posted the link for online Qur'an in this forum, at least 10 times.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Ha! Good one.

Not only have I read Qur'an, MANY times over, I have accompanied it with Hadiths too.
In fact, certain verses, I know by heart. (in English of course)

Have you ever read the book, because I have never seen you quote the book to rebuke anything I said.

I can quote, and i have quoted numerous times Qur'an to support all my statements.

If you have indeed read the qur'an then you'll know, it is considerably shorter than the Bible.

I very much have read the Quran.

Its interesting that regardless of claiming to have read the book you make comments regarding the religion that, from my experience, seem far from true.😕😬

Motives.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Watching C-SPAN right now, Robert Spencer basically just said that anyone saying that Islam is a religion of peace is full of crap and probably hasn't read the Qu'Ran. Frankly, I'm surprised that anyone had the balls to make such a statement.

What does everyone think about this?

I'm afraid the man is right. I've seen some stuff taken from that book, and I can tell you that it's not a peaceful book. It's like the Old Testament.

religion is the root to all evil

Originally posted by Nogoodnamesleft
I'm afraid the man is right. I've seen some stuff taken from that book, and I can tell you that it's not a peaceful book. It's like the Old Testament.

😆 and the NT.

Originally posted by finti
religion is the root to all evil

I thought you were a heathen like me?

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
On top of that, I think I have posted the link for online Qur'an in this forum, at least 10 times.

This is why I cannot even be bothered to say anything really, because no matter what I say and no matter what evidence I will bring it will get ignored.

Originally posted by gordomuchacho
The focus of modern Islam has changed from what it originally intended to do. Ilm which means knowledge was the main priority and then after a long period of time the interpretations changed and jihad which originally meant struggle now came to mean holy war. I think that if Islam had maintained its original interpretations of the koran that there would not be as much fundamentalist stuff.

Oh really......so you know the life story of muhammed and what the hadiths say about his life?