Originally posted by PriestActually, in his first appearance Wonder Man's fist was said to be equal to Thor's hammer. Since then it's made it's way to next-best-thing though.
WM debut was in the avengers, and Wonderman did mention that Thor is stronger than him.
Originally posted by MetalmanxIMO their durability is about the same. Wonder Man has the advantage everywhere else.
Agreed.Colossus's durability gives him the edge here in a slugfest. And since his strength is close to WM's, it wouldn't be long until Colossus came out the victor.
Wonder Man has a good record against the likes of Hulk, Thor, Abomination, Atlas, Namor, Hyperion, Ultron etc. Plus he's been trained in combat by Captain America.
Even in a slugfest, Colossus is outmatched.
Originally posted by Lucid Lui
Actually, in his first appearance Wonder Man's fist was said to be equal to Thor's hammer. Since then it's made it's way to next-best-thing though.IMO their durability is about the same. Wonder Man has the advantage everywhere else.
Wonder Man has a good record against the likes of Hulk, Thor, Abomination, Atlas, Namor, Hyperion, Ultron etc. Plus he's been trained in combat by Captain America.
Even in a slugfest, Colossus is outmatched.
I don't agree. Don't get me wrong, Wonder Man is also extremely durable. But he's able to tangle with these other powerhouses the way he does because of his other superhuman abilities.
In my opinion, Colossus's duarability>>>Wonder Man's. And that's not an insult to WM at all, seeing as Colossus is one of the most durable characters in comics. That, and Colossus has also been trained in combat by Cyclops, Wolverine, and Nightcrawler. And probably some others as well.
I still stand by my previous statement. Wonder Man wins, but if he decides to make it a slugfest, I see Colossus prevailing.
Originally posted by badabing
Hmm, I'll say Wonderman due to his flight. But if he slugs it out with Colossus he'll lose.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
I don't agree. Don't get me wrong, Wonder Man is also extremely durable. But he's able to tangle with these other powerhouses the way he does because of his other superhuman abilities.In my opinion, Colossus's duarability>>>Wonder Man's. And that's not an insult to WM at all, seeing as Colossus is one of the most durable characters in comics. That, and Colossus has also been trained in combat by Cyclops, Wolverine, and Nightcrawler. And probably some others as well.
I still stand by my previous statement. Wonder Man wins, but if he decides to make it a slugfest, I see Colossus prevailing.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Agreed.Colossus's durability gives him the edge here in a slugfest. And since his strength is close to WM's, it wouldn't be long until Colossus came out the victor.
Please, I like ya, but don't be a fanboy. Wonder Man is everything Colossus is, but better, and then some. Wonder Man 10/10.
Originally posted by MetalmanxWhat other abilities would these be? He beat Abomination, in a slugfest. He beat Ultron, in a slugfest. He more than held his own against Hulk, in a slugfest. He overpowered Thor, in a slugfest. He ripped the head off of his own dupe, in a slugfest. Generally all his fights are slugfests.
I don't agree. Don't get me wrong, Wonder Man is also extremely durable. But he's able to tangle with these other powerhouses the way he does because of his other superhuman abilities.
Who has Colossus beat, or held his own against, in slugfests, that makes you think he can take Wonder Man aswell?
The old Marvel Universe handbooks used to give the strength, as well as skin density and stuff like that.
I think they used to give a percentage of the density of diamond to show how durable they were. I don'tthink Colossus was on the same level as Wonderman or Thor.
Thor has just plain proven to be unbreakable, Wonderman is basically energy in a humanoid form and Colossus is metal.
I would say that Colossus is the least durable of all of them, and I can remember many times that he has been hurt by projectiles alone. Actually pierced.
And, since when did he become class 100? Ben was class 85 and She Hulk was class 75.
Wonderman was class 95 and Thor was 100.
No matter. Wonderman's power source is beyond physical. Colossus is just a finite quanitity based on the metal he is made of.
WM wins.
Wonder Man is incredibly durable, he can survive in outerspace and got even used from Hyperion like a drill getting though a moon and was still alive.His strength, when focused or enraged drops in the high Class 100 strength level, he also has ground speed above 200 mph, he has great reflexes, he stated most beings to him are like slow motion, and he has received combat training from Captain America himself.His flight speed is also in the orbital velocity range, so above Mach 25.
Don't understimate the Man Of Wonder.
Originally posted by batdude123
Please, I like ya, but don't be a fanboy. Wonder Man is everything Colossus is, but better, and then some. Wonder Man 10/10.
I'm sorry...what? Where am I being a fanboy? I've said Colossus loses on a number of occassions when he does lose. And I've even said he loses here. Just merely pointing out that if this were a slugfest, this would be Colossus's match.
Originally posted by Lucid Lui
What other abilities would these be? He beat Abomination, in a slugfest. He beat Ultron, in a slugfest. He more than held his own against Hulk, in a slugfest. He overpowered Thor, in a slugfest. He ripped the head off of his own dupe, in a slugfest. Generally all his fights are slugfests.Who has Colossus beat, or held his own against, in slugfests, that makes you think he can take Wonder Man aswell?
Well. Flight and super-speed for two. Those two differences added to his super-strength and durability would make him the victor here. I'm not denying this. That, and WM being composed of pure ionic energy. I'm sure that'll play out as an advantage somewhere in the fight.
How the hell did WM overpower Thor in a slugfest? Are we talking about the same Thor? Or a depowered one?
Who has Colossus held his own against in a slugfest?
Juggernaut. Gladiator. That should be enough right there. There are also some other characters (with names that I cannot remember) that are superior to him in strength, and yet Colossus defeats them in a slugfest.
Originally posted by Silent Master
He didn't hold his own against Juggernaut he got Ko'd and frankly his fight with Gladiator was before Glad was established as a cl 100 character and even then he also got ko'd
Colossus has also defeated Juggernaut twice in a fight.
And he went toe-to-toe with Gladiator for a long, destructive battle. Gladiator just happened to walk out the victor there.
And how can you say just because he wasn't established as a Class 100 character doesn't make him one? Gladiator has always been high-level Class 100.
So let's please not downplay Colossus's feats.