Originally posted by Lucid LuiTruth be told Colossus fought the only one who matters in a physical confrontation and that's the Juggernaut b!tch(Not callin you that). And one time he was drunk off his @ss.
Ultron. Hell, Ultron's plural. Atlas. His own equal dupe. Arkon.Ok, not that many people that matter (though i don't see Colossus ever doing what Wonder Man's done to Ultron). But he's still gone toe to toe with the best Marvel has to offer and held his own every time.
Originally posted by Lucid LuiFeats speak for themselves and WM cannot compare. And I think most people would agree.
You don't seem to be paying attention. Every single time, Wonder Man has given Thor a fight. His strength has been said to rival Thor's sooo many times. Hell even Hercules said it.
Originally posted by Lucid LuiI still don't think WM is that much stronger than Colossus. He don't have an real impressive strength feats he completed on his own. Or even fighting skills feats that puts him ahead of Colossus.
No, he doesn't outclass Colossus as much as those two, but it's still more than enough to beat Colossus. Even in a slugfest.
Speed and flight are givens.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Oh and by the way I heard WM is alot weaker than when he first fought Thor also. That was close to his first appearance so they gave him a good showing.
Funny as Wonderman was stated to have gotten more powerful in his solo series and Kurt Busiek stated that the current Wonderman is even stronger than he was in his solo series.
Originally posted by snoopdoggColossus fought Juggernaut, did ok, and you're telling me that's worth more than Wonder Man holding his own against the likes of Hulk, Hyperion, Thor, Captain Britain, Herc, Atlas, Namor etc. ?
Truth be told Colossus fought the only one who matters in a physical confrontation and that's the Juggernaut b!tch(Not callin you that). And one time he was drunk off his @ss.
You're kidding me right?
Originally posted by snoopdoggYou're completely right. Feats speak for themself.
Feats speak for themselves and WM cannot compare. And I think most people would agree.
1. http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/7981/thoravengers11tbij2.jpg
2. http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/5315/thor111ffok2.jpg
3. http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/7029/thor123vuww8.jpg
4. http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/7784/thor130fwso2.jpg
5. http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/4346/thor144wcgk2.jpg
6. http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/2713/thor212azuc2.jpg
7. http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/617/thor229cddg5.jpg
8. http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/7691/thor235nimg2.jpg
9. http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/2411/thor3d6kvgl5.jpg
So why are you outright ignoring the encounters Thor and Wonder man have had?
Originally posted by snoopdoggShow me these skills Colossus possess. I'd love to see them.
I still don't think WM is that much stronger than Colossus. He don't have an real impressive strength feats he completed on his own. Or even fighting skills feats that puts him ahead of Colossus.
Wonder Man's had training from Cpatain America. He went on to use that training to his advantage in alot of fights.
1. http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/7513/training14yhvw2.jpg
2. http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/843/training23ocfx7.jpg
3. http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/2172/training39rxwm1.jpg
Originally posted by Lucid LuiNo I'm not. Juggernaut has a win over 3 of those guys and could beat the other four also.
Colossus fought Juggernaut, did ok, and you're telling me that's worth more than Wonder Man holding his own against the likes of Hulk, Hyperion, Thor, Captain Britain, Herc, Atlas, Namor etc. ?You're kidding me right?
Originally posted by Lucid LuiI am not ignoring them. Looking at them makes me even more certain Supes would defeat Thor.So why are you outright ignoring the encounters Thor and Wonder man have had?
Originally posted by Lucid LuiColossus was trained by Wolverine, Cyclops, and even Nightcrawler tained him in acrobatics and sword fighting technique. And also the handbooks give Colossus a level 4 while WM has a level 2.
Show me these skills Colossus possess. I'd love to see them.Wonder Man's had training from Cpatain America. He went on to use that training to his advantage in alot of fights.
Here is a simple Judo toss he used to make She-Hulk look like a amateur.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20fights/uncannyxmenannual07page152yo.jpg
Here is a scan where is used "fancy footwork" and even mentions learning acrobatics from Nightcrawler.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20fights/ColossusandAntaeus.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20fights/ColossusandAntaeus2.jpg
Mentions Judo he learned from Cyclops comes in handy.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20fights/ColossusandSasquatch2.jpg
Here he does it again this time with a 50ft. Sentinel.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus/ColossusjudotossinaSentinel.jpg
The X-men use Colossus' skills to train new X-teams.
http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/7008/colossus11hf.gif
http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/7186/colossus27oa.gif
http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/4643/colossus33dw.gif
Here Colossus trains Sunspot in Kendo stick technique.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20fights/ColossustrainingNewMutants022.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20fights/ColossustrainingNewMutants2022.jpg
Colossus was also trained by Nightcrawler how to sword fight. Kurt is regarded as one of the best too.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20fights/Colossustraining_swords_Excalibur10.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20fights/Colossustraining_swords2_Excalibur-.jpg
I didn't even get to the Danger Room scans yet. It's not really necessary. If this fight goes to a slugfest WM does not outclass him in that type of fight. If WM uses his flight advantage it turns the tide.
Originally posted by snoopdoggThat's great. Doesn't matter though, cause Colossus hasn't. And him having some arguably good showings against Juggernaut doesn't make that the case either.
No I'm not. Juggernaut has a win over 3 of those guys and could beat the other four also.
Originally posted by snoopdoggNot ignoring them? You said "WM does not match Thor physically. Thor is a fricking Thunder God."
I am not ignoring them. Looking at them makes me even more certain Supes would defeat Thor.
I've clearly shown that Wonder Man does match him phsyically. Are you willing to accept it yet.
Originally posted by snoopdoggHandbooks mean nothing to me.
Colossus was trained by Wolverine, Cyclops, and even Nightcrawler tained him in acrobatics and sword fighting technique. And also the handbooks give Colossus a level 4 while WM has a level 2.
Originally posted by snoopdoggThere's some good scans there. But really, nothing i see makes me think he's more skilled than Wonder Man. Well, at fencing maybe.
I didn't even get to the Danger Room scans yet. It's not really necessary. If this fight goes to a slugfest WM does not outclass him in that type of fight. If WM uses his flight advantage it turns the tide.
Wonder Man was created to be everything the orignal Avengers line-up had in one person, that includes Caps fighting skills.
1. http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/954/powertest0kmpj6.jpg
Tossing Beast.
1. http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/2699/beastthrow3cbiu1.jpg
Using his skills to toss the Hulk around.
1. http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/6954/hulkp54qaqb4.jpg
H2H Skills.
1. http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/2787/rampageb0slqp8.jpg
With barely any strength left Wonder Man takes out a guy who took Hulk out.
1. http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/2952/skill24ayml3.jpg
Beating on Skurge.
1. http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/9002/skurge32bucc9.jpg
IMO, they're probably around the same when it comes to h2h skill.
Looking through the Colossus respect thread, his showings seem to only be against mid-tier and no-name brawlers, whereas Wonder Man's tends to fight the best Marvel has to offer. Colossus just doesn't compare.
Originally posted by Lucid LuiNot yet. Your gonna have to do better. Thor is way stronger than WM. He has planetary level strength feats that WM cannot compare with.I've clearly shown that Wonder Man does match him phsyically. Are you willing to accept it yet.
Originally posted by Lucid LuiLet me see if I got this right. WM compares with Thor physically but Colossus does not compare with WM in h2h Skill? That's pretty hard to swallow.Colossus just doesn't compare.
Originally posted by Lucid LuiActually he has a good point. Juggernaut would handle any guy on that list and has handled some of them at on time or another. I mean it's hard to find a character who had a good showng against Juggernaut. Fighting Juggernaut and knocking him down is a good example of fighting a top-tier. Actually in my biased opinon Juggernaut is the top of the food chain when it comes to physical battles.
Colossus fought Juggernaut, did ok, and you're telling me that's worth more than Wonder Man holding his own against the likes of Hulk, Hyperion, Thor, Captain Britain, Herc, Atlas, Namor etc. ?You're kidding me right?
And man WM does not match Thor in strength. Only Herc. does. Thoses two Avengers are in their own class and Simon simply does not belong.
Originally posted by snoopdoggI don't think Wonder Man is as strong as Thor. He's obviously not. But he's shown that he's more than strong enough to fight Thor, and hold his own physically.
Not yet. Your gonna have to do better. Thor is way stronger than WM. He has planetary level strength feats that WM cannot compare with.
Originally posted by snoopdoggDid you read my whole post? I already said that they're probably about the same in h2h.
Let me see if I got this right. WM compares with Thor physically but Colossus does not compare with WM in h2h Skill? That's pretty hard to swallow.
What i'm saying is that Colossus' record in slugfests doesn't compare with Wonder Man's.
Originally posted by Lucid LuiUntil Thor gets mad that is. Then he puts a end to WM's nonesense.
I don't think Wonder Man is as strong as Thor. He's obviously not. But he's shown that he's more than strong enough to fight Thor, and hold his own physically.
Originally posted by Lucid LuiNow I admitt Colossus is a punk. But who has WM actually defeated in a fight? Sure he's fought some tough guys but he don't have many clear victories.Did you read my whole post? I already said that they're probably about the same in h2h.
What i'm saying is that Colossus' record in slugfests doesn't compare with Wonder Man's.
Originally posted by juggernaut74In most cases, yeah.
Until Thor gets mad that is. Then he puts a end to WM's nonesense.
Originally posted by juggernaut74Abomination. Fair amount of Ultrons. Atlas/Goliath. He ripped the head off his own equal duplicate.
Now I admitt Colossus is a punk. But who has WM actually defeated in a fight? Sure he's fought some tough guys but he don't have many clear victories.
He's also ripped Ironman's armor apart, KO'd Thor(IIRC, in MCP#44), beat Furor(see Lucid Lui's post for scan), beat dupe's of the Hulk/Hercules/Sasquatch/Colossus/Vision/Strong Guy, Knocked Drax down with one hit, I'm also pretty sure he beat Arkon
I believe Thor was distracted by the Enchantress during the fight which allowed Simon to land the KO punch.
Originally posted by batdude123Stomped? I don't think so. I mean WM has a hard time with Thing and when I did a poll 65% of people thought Colossus would beat Thing. Colossus h2h would give WM one hell of a fight. Think about it this way. It's never been shown that WM is much stronger or any at all than Colossus. Colossus is more durable and well he's a more skilled combatant.
Colossus gets stomped badly here. Seriously, there's not even a point in discussing a h2h battle. Simon is SO much more than that, it's ridiculous. Colossus loses badly.
Either way that does not add up to somebody getting stomped.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
I still don't think WM is that much stronger than Colossus. He don't have an real impressive strength feats he completed on his own. Or even fighting skills feats that puts him ahead of Colossus.Speed and flight are givens.
He lifted 50,000 tons. Check out his respect thread.
