Originally posted by Sin I AM
I think your just praising Colossus a little to much...Colossus rarely has good showings against other heavy hitters
And I don't think you're giving Colossus enough credit.
When you're part of a 50+ person team, you try to get a lot of spotlight like those 4-member groups.
Originally posted by Silent Master
When did Colossus ever beat Juggernaut and I'm not downplaying his feats, the fact is that Gladiator wasn't esatblished to be cl 100 until laterAlso he got ko'd after a building fell on them, Wonderman has been driven through a planet without being ko'd.
Colossus has defeated Juggernaut twice using both his superior intelligence and his superior fighting skills/agility/speed. Of course, he didn't KO Juggy. Just defeated him in the fight.
And again, you make no sense here. Gladiator, upon his introduction to comics, has always been the high-level class 100 character he is today.
Just how did he beat Juggernaut if he didn't KO him, it's not like he has TP that can stop him. This is starting to sound like claiming Spider-man 'beat' Juggernaut by tricking him into cement, it's a win but it is hardly proof of how a slugfest would go.
Also, just what did Gladiator do in that fight that would lead anyone to believe he was cl 100?
Originally posted by Metalmanx
I'm sorry...what? Where am I being a fanboy? I've said Colossus loses on a number of occassions when he does lose. And I've even said he loses here. Just merely pointing out that if this were a slugfest, this would be Colossus's match.
Even if it were a slugfest, Wonder Man would dominate Colossus. You can't even disclaim that fact. Wonder Man is one of the physically strongest and toughest fighters on the planet. Colossus doesn't even hold a candle to WM in terms of being a brawler if you want to look at average showings. WM is more in the league of Hercules and Thor in terms of brawling, while Colossus is more in the league of She Hulk and Thing.
Originally posted by MetalmanxOK, but you don't seem to be getting me. In pretty much everycase of Wonder Man fighting and/or beating characters superior to Colossus, he doesn't use super speed. He rarely uses his flight advantage. He's beaten people superior to Colossus in a complete slugfest, yet he can't beat colossus that way?
Well. Flight and super-speed for two. Those two differences added to his super-strength and durability would make him the victor here. I'm not denying this. That, and WM being composed of pure ionic energy. I'm sure that'll play out as an advantage somewhere in the fight.
Originally posted by MetalmanxLike this...
How the hell did WM overpower Thor in a slugfest? Are we talking about the same Thor? Or a depowered one?
Same Thor. Wonder Man is just that strong.
Originally posted by MetalmanxGladiator was no where near as strong when Colossus fought him as he was later on. Byrne stated that the Gladiator in Uncanny X-Men was a hell of alot weaker than when he appeared in FF later on. No matter how you spin it, that wasn't a good showing for Colossus. It was a low showing for Gladiator. Accept it.
Who has Colossus held his own against in a slugfest?
Juggernaut. Gladiator. That should be enough right there. There are also some other characters (with names that I cannot remember) that are superior to him in strength, and yet Colossus defeats them in a slugfest.
Colossus has defeated Juggernaut twice? Interesting. i'd like to see these victories. Bring 'em in...
Originally posted by snoopdoggI cannot prove it no. But it's bloody obvious. Colossus fans just don't want to accept it. They think it's great that they're favourite character almost stalemated a character who singlehandedly owned the Fantastic Four.
That isn't good enough. Can you prove this? If not then it's just hyperbole.
You think i don't feel that same way about the Despero/Aquaman fight. I do, but i'm willing to accept that it's much more a low showing for Despero than a good showing for Aquaman.
Originally posted by Lucid LuiAnd WonderMan beating on Thor is acceptable?
I cannot prove it no. But it's bloody obvious. Colossus fans just don't want to accept it. They think it's great that they're favourite character almost stalemated a character who singlehandedly owned the Fantastic Four.You think i don't feel that same way about the Despero/Aquaman fight. I do, but i'm willing to accept that it's much more a low showing for Despero than a good showing for Aquaman.
I don't think so.
Originally posted by snoopdoggWonder Man beating on Thor's not acceptable even though he's been doing it ever since his first appearance and he's always been said to be Thor's equal or the next best thing?
And WonderMan beating on Thor is acceptable?I don't think so.
Yeah, great comeback there. Now if Wonder Man actually beat Thor, then you might have a case. But he doesn't. He only matches him physically.
Who has WM beaten in a fight? One on one. Abomination? Not bad but it happens to him alot. That's what the character is used for.
WM does not match Thor physically. Thor is a fricking Thunder God.
However I will put WM ahead of Colossus in most areas excluding durability though. But he don't outclass him like Thor and Gladiator do.
Originally posted by UniOmni
Hercules is called the STRONGEST avenger ever.
Thor is always shown to be equal in strength to Herc.WM simply isn't in the running. But he does whomp Colon.
And Rayner couldn't even handle Sinestro!! He's a God amoung failures.
Originally posted by snoopdoggUltron. Hell, Ultron's plural. Atlas. His own equal dupe. Arkon.
Who has WM beaten in a fight? One on one. Abomination? Not bad but it happens to him alot. That's what the character is used for.
Ok, not that many people that matter (though i don't see Colossus ever doing what Wonder Man's done to Ultron). But he's still gone toe to toe with the best Marvel has to offer and held his own every time.
Originally posted by snoopdoggYou don't seem to be paying attention. Every single time, Wonder Man has given Thor a fight. His strength has been said to rival Thor's sooo many times. Hell even Hercules said it.
WM does not match Thor physically. Thor is a fricking Thunder God.
Originally posted by snoopdoggNo, he doesn't outclass Colossus as much as those two, but it's still more than enough to beat Colossus. Even in a slugfest.
However I will put WM ahead of Colossus in most areas excluding durability though. But he don't outclass him like Thor and Gladiator do.
