What's wrong with being Liberal?

Originally posted by HarmoNiC FLo
Republicans are not what they used to be. Abraham Lincoln was a republican who freed the slaves. How come republicans are not the same as Abe's day?

Building...building...

The answer is simple. The republican party became the umbrella party for white supremacy in the United States. That is why most of the KKK's and racist rednecks... are republican.

See the political system is always looking for new recruits. The democrats get support from minorities as a reflective reaction from the GOP [republicans] supporting discrimination.

Now obviously no republican/conservative ANYWHERE will admitt that his or her party is actually holding on to racial beliefs.

Because that will brand the party negatively and cost votes to slide off democratic.

So in all essence it is a blind lining within the party that never gets discussed -- However make no mistake that most republicans nowadays are true racists only now with political agendas.

Democrats on the other hand, are fair and equal to all types of people.

You see, most republicans have a theory. That theory is that if you are not white, rich and heterosexual... they're gona have to "think" on what they will do with you.

What's wrong with gays? plenty [and i'm a democrat].

Gays are scientifically and religiously pointless.

Yet they are living people who want to have that specific lifestyle. Who am I, who are you, and definitely who the Fu*k is the republican party to tell gays how to live?

People always use stupidass branding against the democratic party to make it less appealing

because face it -- racial equality, acceptance of different lifestyles, raising the wages of POOR PEOPLE... are good things!

So the argument is it hurts the small business guy? Why cant he make more money and what ever happened to not being selfish?

Do i have to become a child and add "Selfish" to the list of republican negativity?

However there are good republicans. Believe it or not but President Bush is a good hearted republican. As is John McCain. Prez Bush has really bad ideas about war and might not be fit for presidency... but he stands for many racial and social equalities that most republicans will never undertake.

In conclusion I say to you all that it is the year 2006. We aren't living in a world where you can say "wtf a black guy whats he doing here". Or "hey i'm white, make those f*cking mexicans work their ass off".

Sounds bad? Want to even fight me on the reality of the issues?

KO?!

If you think its not like that in republican majorities of the country then you should begin to step outside your box and learn more about the country.

Why would anyone in their right mind support hate?

Why would anyone support oppression?

The sons and daughters of racism post Civil Rights Movement are grown up MEN and WOMEN in the republican party today.

Originally posted by HarmoNiC FLo
You are an embarassment to the political topic. Get out of here with your dont associate yourself bullshit especially after you just insulted the liberal party.

Originally posted by HarmoNiC FLo
More than half of america is white men [and white women who support white men]. They are either rich, or using republican laws to help them get rich.

A tax cut for Tom Cruise? Tax cuts for the rich? Why? The poor have trouble living comfortably and have to pay the taxes while the rich get even richer.

Who do you think the republicans favor?

Next?

Being liberal is great in an academic setting. The Greeks, the civilization that nursed logic and philosophy and wisdom, were the ones who would free slaves IF they could reason. They were persuaded that a slave could not be effective once he/she was capable of reasoning, they would have to be citizens (able to pay tax and I believe own property - please correct me if I am wrong).

One possible example of Greek influence on today's university practice is during graduation. The graduation gowns we wear represents democracy, as the Greeks felt that once a person can reason, they are the same as their masters, and their cloths were covered so that no one could tell the physical differences between the master or the (former) slave.

Our idea of liberalism is very BROAD approach to understanding, the problem starts when the folks who are lent this board understanding return it with a limited/restrictive scope in life. They benefit from freedom of speech (radical Muslims), yet, if anyone returns the same insult, they are ready to riot (limited appreciation of the freedom that they benefit from, they want it for themselves but will not allow it used in their respective circle). For instance, in Europe, I think the Danes, French, and Germans were liberal in allowing a lot of Muslims in, and the Muslims, in turn, decided to change the laws to suit their limited views of things, such as Muslim women being covered from head to toe, and fighting the Danish system so that driver license pictures should not show the face of these women. Now, if all things weren't constant, the liberals would say, sure, why not? But, when you have the war in Iraq, and some women are used to carry out the process, and these issues can easily arise in Europe because of the fear that they place on the Europeans, if any European journalist or media talks of Islam in a mock fashion, they can easily get attacked or feel threatened. The ones benefiting from these degrees of freedom are not BROAD, they are LIMITED, yet, they want the Europeans to be BROAD in their scope or ability to understand the Muslims' needs.

They benefit from broad thinking, but they return restricted or limited thinking. That's why some are against liberalism, the folks benefiting from it turn against the ones allowing them to be "free" or moving in a greater degree of freedom. They know darn well they wouldn't be able to live as nicely in their own country, if they could, why are they in Europe anyway? So, they are there for their own benefit, and benefiting from the laws and philosophy, yet, they are returning fear and intimidation and restrictions on European freedom of speech.

That's why some say that liberals are stupid, they are freeing a "beast" (problem) who turns around and will bite you on the butt. And that same beast knows if it were back in it's own land, it would not be biting anyone as it would not be allowed much freedom, it would be in chains, as in NO freedom of speech and NO FREEDOM OF expression and NO FREEDOM OF religion.

I did ask some who were for gay marriage, why not start with Iraq or Muslim countries, why attack the countries that are liberal? BECAUSE IT'S EASY STUPID. Even the ones who hate the Western philosphy of freedom know that it's EASY, they take advantage of the system, and then, they do a bait and switch, turning the system against those who afforded them the ability to talk against a government, or to the freedom to decide if they even want a religion at all, etc. Civil rights, remember? Gay lifestyle is a BROAD way to interpret it was CIVIL RIGHTS, but, since liberals think broadly, it was cake. They can't do the same in countriest that are restrictive, like Muslim countries who will not allow it and will do bad things to people who are not like everyone else. So, yeah, liberalism is a double edge sword. I do not mean to offend anyone who is gay, if someone is gay, they are gay for reasons that they know, not I. And I am liberal enough to know this.

In a mush easier to understand writing in the USA we typically assocaite liberal with democrat and to me I feel as though democrat is more socialist then liberal strictly speaking.

Anyway I am all for a more "liberal" society as long as rules help set us up for wins.

Alot of folks have great ideas but their implentation/plans suck ass, much as my sentance structure and spelling does in this post.

I think most liberals are level headed people with some good ideas. I don't agree with everything they believe but i like a diverity in the arena of ideas. The problem seems to be that the "extreme liberals" give the rest a bad name.

Originally posted by Badabing
I think most liberals are level headed people with some good ideas. I don't agree with everything they believe but i like a diverity in the arena of ideas. The problem seems to be that the "extreme liberals" give the rest a bad name.

The bad apples always make everyone look terrible. I agree.

That pretty much sums up most groups of people in this world except for members of the Alanis Morissette Fan Club.

I don't mind liberals so much as I mind pro-choicers. When you take away a liberal's idiotic obsession with legal abortions and deviant sexual freedom, you just have a typical American. Just like when you take away the paranoia and arrogance of the right you yet again have a typical American. I expect people to differ in opinions, finances are a shadey subject that have been proven to work differantly under differant circumstances, and even some ethical arguments like gay marriage I can understand concern for.

But you have to have your princaples. Or else you're worse then an animal. And we kill and eat animals without a twinge of guilt. Liberals have lost all sense of princaples, and conservatives are getting there.

Originally posted by Green Arrow
I don't mind liberals so much as I mind pro-choicers. When you take away a liberal's idiotic obsession with legal abortions and deviant sexual freedom, you just have a typical American. Just like when you take away the paranoia and arrogance of the right you yet again have a typical American. I expect people to differ in opinions, finances are a shadey subject that have been proven to work differantly under differant circumstances, and even some ethical arguments like gay marriage I can understand concern for.

But you have to have your princaples. Or else you're worse then an animal. And we kill and eat animals without a twinge of guilt. Liberals have lost all sense of princaples, and conservatives are getting there.

i cant tell if its him or spelljammer

Originally posted by FeceMan
Are you another whob sock? One of his many personalities? Or are you some percentage of me when I've relinquished self-control?

Originally posted by PVS
i cant tell if its him or spelljammer

If its spelljammer he's cleaned up his posting skills alot as well as his overall manners to other posters.

I liked spelljammer when he spoke in the third person.....Maybe I should start doing it....

Originally posted by PVS
i cant tell if its him or spelljammer

Originally posted by FeceMan

So...maybe it's just me, but if they were victims of discrimination and the Republican party is ultra racist, wouldn't they NOT want to be part of the Republican party?

Idiot. Sons and daughters of racism meaning they themselves are racists in todays republican government. jeez you are a complete idiot.

If my use of "daughters of racism" instead of "daughters of racists" threw you off - EVEN THOUGH MY POST WAS SUGGESTIVE THAT REPUBLICAN PARTY CONTAINS RACISTS.

What the hell are you to know anything compared to me? you are a mouse compared to me. you think that since there are good republicans, it makes for an okay party?

You always have to go with the party that has the majority of people who aren't discriminatory and doesn't favor the rich - which is the Democratic party.

OTHERWISE you will have GOOD REPUBLICANS who favor other republicans due to strenghtening their agendas, who are horrible minded people.

Voting republican is a risk a minority doesn't need.

Originally posted by Soleran
Lol if the poor have no money and the least amount of tax's how are they being burdened with having to "pay the tax's?" That was just awesome thanks for giving me the humor to have me excell in the day especially at your expense.

GOD DAMN what are you idiots doing on a computer? I SAID THE POOR ARE HAVING TO PAY HIGHER TAXES. THE TAX CUTS WERE FOR THE RICH.

Originally posted by HarmoNiC FLo A tax cut for Tom Cruise? Tax cuts for the rich? Why? The poor have trouble living comfortably and have to pay the taxes while the rich get even richer.

On another note, you people are either

A. Aware of racists within the republican party and twist my words around to throw everyone off.

OR

B. Unaware of the evils stemming from the republican party.

If you selected B, check www.cnn.com often for republican speeches. Watch TV shows such as Meet The Press and hear the republicans views of different agendas and what comments they use.

OR JUST WATCH FOX NEWS INTERVIEW - MY PROOFhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoIUYoODu3s

No apology http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-P3tkZ_5-c

Originally posted by HarmoNiC FLo
On another note, you people are either

A. Aware of racists within the republican party and twist my words around to throw everyone off.

OR

B. Unaware of the evils stemming from the republican party.

If you selected B, check www.cnn.com often for republican speeches. Watch TV shows such as Meet The Press and hear the republicans views of different agendas and what comments they use.

OR JUST WATCH FOX NEWS INTERVIEW HIM - MY PROOFhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoIUYoODu3s

Evil has to do with humans, not the constitution of the Republic or Democracy...those two parties make a strong argument with respect to government based on how "we" as humans evolve and understand ourselves, we can't self-govern yet, we are too immature, we don't know how to solve the problems with overpopulation without wars, we don't know how to solve the problems of poverty or diseases or criminals or education...and we aren't ready to live life without a money system, as this system allows us to know we are governed and even if we didn't have a money system, how would our system survive when the "masses" enjoy being ignorant and sheepish?

I think first generation Americans may understand the constitution and political system better then a lot of regular Americans who aren't involved in the political machine. Some say this is done on purpose, and some have said that immigrants are just as ignorant or more so these days, because they are coming here to work menial jobs and barely know English.

Our system, the government and economic structure isn't perfect, and is suppose to protect the people, as Europe and the like, study this project and try to understand how we can all evolve into a better system. Some argue that "they" don't want better, but want to stay in control and power, but this is too a rat in the cage, we are all lab rats, being studied and examined, weather we want to maintain a large portion of power, or fight against it, or lobby in some sort of way....we are living in an example, an experiment that hasn't evolved into a Democracy just yet, we have to be willing to take responsibility to be in a Democracy, we live in a Republic, as they represent the ones who should speak to us based on a supposed democratic vote...if we lived in a true Democracy, and there was a lynch mob, they would do exactly as the people said, burn'm, hang'm, etc. The problem is with our human psyche, it hasn't evolved very fast, and the evolution can't be in pockets within our population, the psychological evolution has to happen in a large majority...otherwise, people will resist the new change and will mock it as they are still in a child-like state. It's like giving a real car to a kid, he won't know what to do and will wreck it in no time, but take a kid who has evolved for his age, he will not wrech it...but because we know there are tendencies in age, we restrict driving for 16 and up, and sometimes, 16 is still too young...it's in our human evolution, even though we are adults, we are still child-like in our ability to solve problems in our money system, poverty, education, crime, health, disease, overpopulation, war, etc.

Again, some of us do understand the dynamics and possibility of our minds and aren't scared to seek the next step...but this is a constant struggle with the ones who are static.

Again, some of us do understand the dynamics and possibility of our minds and aren't scared to seek the next step...but this is a constant struggle with the ones who are static. So, just like the 12 year old who can drive a car without wrecking it, he will have to wait the proper age, because the rest of his peer group is still child-like. The ones who have evolved or understand the possibility of evolution, they have to wait on the ones who are still child-like, and think of war in order to solve overpopulation, prisons to rid society of criminals instead of rehabilitation, inflation/deflation to control money, socialism to help poverty, medicine to "treat" and not cure disease, destroying our planet to feed our faces and build homes and recycling slower then we are producing in garbage... we still don't understand the purpose of God, woman, and man. We build religion to offer structure, hopefully deter crime, and teach forgiveness and a code of moral law on how to treat our neighbors... but we still don't know.

Again, some of us do understand the dynamics and possibility of our minds and aren't scared to seek the next step...but this is a constant struggle with the ones who are static.

( I couldn't edit...ran out of time, so I cut and pasted after annotating the second to the last para)