Creation vs Evolution

Started by leonheartmm221 pages

as for america, the resurgence of fundamntalist protestant christianity in the middle of the last century has continuously developed since then. the churches in britian as well as a lot of the catholic church, atleast in one respect or the other accepts the scientific theories of evolution/creation of the universe etc etc. while the fundamentalism in america has reached heiggts where evolution is being called a lie, 50% of people{whichh is about the number of strong followers of american protestant churches} beleive that the earth is less than 10000 years old, homosexuals are openly beign protested against and called immoral , many many billions of dollars go into televangelism and teaching of extremism, there are organised movements to indoctrinate children as well as manipulate{literally} unbeleivers in beleiving the christian faith, there are channels like fox which are openly taking relegious sides and posting so much propaganda and bullshit that th e bar for liberty has been totally destroyed, billions of dollars are going into organisations helpingisrael to terrorise and massacre palestenians due to the prophecies in the bible, false media campaigns are run to give all other faiths a bad name, people are actually starting to beleive that the earth is the centre of the unievrse again, masses and ceremonies take place at mega churches where mass HEALINGS of incurable diseases and damaga of humans is taking place{also on air} and every1 buys into it, a significant portion of the senate as well as the entire right wing is directly part of the same party of people passing incredibly discriminatory legislation and totally ****ing any ideals of liberty and reason that rose out of the crap in america's past{a major reason the country was founded}, the president who starts everyday with bible class, quotes scripture upon scripture on israel's birthday this year as a valid POLITICAL {which shud be his only role} justification of wiping out those "filthy muslims" , and beleives that new canan belongs to bani israel, actively lies to americas people and pursues wars in afghanistan and iraq whose major purpose outside stealing of oil is teh destruction of islamic centres of faith and people bordering near the holy land{and islam being the only other idiotic relegious power insane enough to challenge christianity at the moment} accepts massacre and war in lebonan and actively funds it on basis of relegious beleifs again, openly says that relegion is a deciding factor in choosing people for public posts{which is ILLEGAL}, etc etc etc. that on top of the actual teachings of the churches which these leaders and politicians subscribe to{but dont publically proclaim} are actually horrifying. america as actually making some fukin progress 30 decades or so ago, atleast there were public protests in vietnam etc{btw these days, it seem that the vietnam campaign is more accepted than the days it was actually going on, as opposed ot the opposite being true, courtesy of the manipulation of the western media} now people dont even seem to give a **** about iraq and afghanistan outside of the killing of AMERICAN SOLDIERS, which is the only worry. while 80 percent of the infrastructure in lebonan was tergetedly destroyed as well as 2.5% of the populationf of iraq being officially dead and the figure rising to around 8 to 10 times that in reality.
hey did i mention that legally, crime or offence done in the name of sexual prejudice in america{etc against gays etc} is not even legally CATEGORISED under "hate crime". thats really how influential relegion is in american politics right now. gay marriage is not legalised in most states and some even have laws which can prosecute homosexual BEHAVIOUR. bill o riely is considered a SIGNIFICANT AND RESPECTABLE journalist and interviewer and the madness continues. as far as libert goes, scandanavia, much of europe{even where significant cathlicism is practiced}, canada, south america, developed parts of africa/developed parts of middle east{like turkey} and even friggin britian and australia/nwzealand have more of it and more open thinking and less extremism than america. if you wanna ever KNOW how much teh american media systematically hides as does the government, read a few books by noam chomsky etc or looka at some of his interviews. among other people.

the only other relegious movement in america that scares me is scientology.

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Good points though. Scary stuff.

srry, never was good at those. oh i also forgot the systematic brainwashing of people to view any interpretation of events significantly different fromt he official one{including statistics} as CONSPIRACY THEORY when infact things like the 9-11 collapse being an internal or orchestrated event{whether it is actually true or false} is accepted as a valid theory throughout a great part of the world including very respectable media groups and tv stations which arent politically or relegiusly inclined{any more than average western media} . it is a way to stop americans from THINKING along lines which may become problematic to the scheming elite and zealots.
as well as the firing of hundreds of professional teachers/lectures/professors{if not much more} on the simple fact that they were speaking UNPATRIOTICALLy{i.e. revealing truthful figures or calling america a terrorist or speaking about the real reaons for going to war in iraq etc } which is not only illegal but completely destoys the idea of free speach. as well as drives to introduce creationism into science in curriculums and protesting and driving crazy homosexuals or their funerals etc etc{where free speech suddenly becomes the slogan which shud be protected irrespective of the damages done by it}. harrasement of the currently muslim minority has also increased a hundred fold since september 11th.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
yes you are. you said whatever AMOUNT of time. that means that god had a choice to choose the AMOUNT of time, but wasnt above the very concept of time itself. also, time is a property of this world, a physical one, so it had to be created too, so then how can god do things in TIME when he had to create time along with the universe to begin with.
he cant therefore god = fail, and so does this guy for not understanding a basic concept. btw good catch i TOTALLY woulda missed the subject to time thingy. u get a gold star 😄

Originally posted by DigiMark007
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Good points though. Scary stuff.

i have said that since i first started reading his stuff.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
srry, never was good at those. oh i also forgot the systematic brainwashing of people to view any interpretation of events significantly different fromt he official one{including statistics} as CONSPIRACY THEORY when infact things like the 9-11 collapse being an internal or orchestrated event{whether it is actually true or false} is accepted as a valid theory throughout a great part of the world including very respectable media groups and tv stations which arent politically or relegiusly inclined{any more than average western media} . it is a way to stop americans from THINKING along lines which may become problematic to the scheming elite and zealots.
as well as the firing of hundreds of professional teachers/lectures/professors{if not much more} on the simple fact that they were speaking UNPATRIOTICALLy{i.e. revealing truthful figures or calling america a terrorist or speaking about the real reaons for going to war in iraq etc } which is not only illegal but completely destoys the idea of free speach. as well as drives to introduce creationism into science in curriculums and protesting and driving crazy homosexuals or their funerals etc etc{where free speech suddenly becomes the slogan which shud be protected irrespective of the damages done by it}. harrasement of the currently muslim minority has also increased a hundred fold since september 11th.
bud, if you believe america is a "free" country you are SADLY mistaken. this country is now half capitalism half communism. the gov. spies on americans ALL the time, we just dont know it. that isnt a lie, with the patriot act, the american government can do whatever they want.

Originally posted by chickenlover98
bud, if you believe america is a "free" country you are SADLY mistaken.

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His whole diatribe was about how we aren't as free as is popularly assumed.

We are all free, free to be deceived.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
We are all free, free to be deceived.

Deceived? Deceived suggests an outside source. We are the ones who are deceiving ourselves. Therefore, it is a delusion and not a deception.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Deceived? Deceived suggests an outside source. We are the ones who are deceiving ourselves. Therefore, it is a delusion and not a deception.

That is what you believe.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
That is what you believe.

We need to take responsibility for the things we do. To cast blame on a mythical monster is to not learn for what we have done.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
We need to take responsibility for the things we do. To cast blame on a mythical monster is to not learn for what we have done.

Exactly.

Gav's line of thinking in the last few posts doesn't really make sense. He refuted shakya, then agreed with the same argument.

Anyway, I'll co-sign shakya's comments in this situation.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Gav's line of thinking in the last few posts doesn't really make sense. He refuted shakya, then agreed with the same argument.

Anyway, I'll co-sign shakya's comments in this situation.

I didn't refute him...

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
I didn't refute him...

This:

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
That is what you believe.

...suggests a difference of opinion. You'll have to be a bit less ambiguous in such situations if you expect us to understand your position.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
This:

...suggests a difference of opinion. You'll have to be a bit less ambiguous in such situations if you expect us to understand your position.

I was just trying to point out that it is ultimately his belief...maybe not everyones...

I think he got it. I mean, he didn't respond as if I had challenged him...

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
I was just trying to point out that it is ultimately his belief...maybe not everyones...

I think he got it. I mean, he didn't respond as if I had challenged him...

I generally understand you more then other Christians. 😉

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
I was just trying to point out that it is ultimately his belief...maybe not everyones...

I think he got it. I mean, he didn't respond as if I had challenged him...

Got it.

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Though be careful with the "maybe not everyone's" line of thinking. It's dangerously close to saying "that's right for you" arguments which can be used to justify all sorts of clearly erroneous beliefs.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I generally understand you more then other Christians. 😉

By now I had hoped as much. 😂

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Deceived? Deceived suggests an outside source. We are the ones who are deceiving ourselves. Therefore, it is a delusion and not a deception.
a mix of both my jelly donut loving friend(i kid i kid)

but in all seriousness it is a mix of both the ineptitude of society to uncover the truth, the lack of knowledge and poor education system, and a complex government good at keeping secrets and spreading misinformation