Creation vs Evolution

*looks at self*

Originally posted by Alliance
*looks at self*

I fix it, but you would be one of the mean friends. 😆 but I could never ignore you. 😆

😂

Originally posted by Thundar
Prove the above statement to be true.

OK

I will not change my opinion. You will not change yours.

As such, us and those like us will continue to debate the point forever preventing any conclusion. Secondly it is infeasable for us to aquire the technology or divine insight needed to find absolute evidence. 😉

Originally posted by Thundar
Another thing our friend forgot to realize is that ---

The gravitational potential energy of a gravitational field is a negative energy. When all the gravitational potential energy is added to all the other energy in the universe it might sum to zero

is equal to "something", specifically "something" happening due to an outside force. Even if one were to accept the above hypothesis as true, they would still be left with the questions "where did this energy come from" and "what caused such an occurance?"

So once again, we really only have two premises. Either the universe was created by a divine force with a purpose in mind, or it was done so by a random force without one.

I tend to think the former is a much more logical than the latter..but that's just me, and to tell you the truth, I've always been known to be a bit on the crazy side..😆

Duhh

And here i was thinking it was referring to the study about the potential energy of curved space (caused by gravity) and its ability to produce matter and anti-particles out of a vacuum, who would annihilate each other and therefore transform back to energy (law of conservation of mass and ebergy).

Something could come out of NOTHING.

Laws of conservation seem to break down at small scales. A little trip can do the trick.

Imagine the universe as a body, most of the time using negative feedback loops to maintain a state...then pregnancy happens and a positive feedback loop kicks in.

Originally posted by Templares
Duhh

And here i was thinking it was referring to the study about the potential energy of curved space (caused by gravity) and its ability to produce matter and anti-particles out of a vacuum, who would annihilate each other and therefore transform back to energy (law of conservation of mass and ebergy).

Something could come out of NOTHING.

The inference you gave was that the linked hypothesis stated "something" came from "nothing."

This is so far off from the truth it's not even funny. As Mindship had posted, "nothing" just represents the net force created after the two oppossing energies are combined. So yes.."Duhh" is an appropriate response to my post, as the conclusion you initially came to(and are still alluding to) from this hypothesis was a very silly one.

If one thinks about it logically for a minute, the premise you've provided actually supports the God of the Bible's existence even more, as scripture alludes to him not being an extremist God, but rather being a consistantly-moderate one.

Thus, IMO..if we are to believe this premise to be true. Then one could state that "0" would be representative of the consistantly-moderate nature of God, as he is never influenced by either extreme on the positive or negative side.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
OK

I will not change my opinion. You will not change yours.

You still haven't provided absolute proof of the above being true.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
As such, us and those like us will continue to debate the point forever preventing any conclusion.

You keep on contradicting yourself. You just made a conclusion in the above quote, thus conclusions can be made.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Secondly it is infeasable for us to aquire the technology or divine insight needed to find absolute evidence. 😉

Another contridiction, you've just provided an absolute stance with the giving the assumption that your above statement should be used as "absolute evidence" to draw a conclusion.

So your opinions are wrong and contradictory on so many levels. The only thing that is extremely difficult to find is "absolute proof" of God's existence within this life. This is because God himself has made it so his presence doesn't completely impact mankind, as it would conflict with the whole "free will" thing. Still, he makes himself 99.99 percent known through the various processes and things we see around us within the world. As it is stated in the bible. Even the "fool" knows that there is a God.

Even with this, I still believe it is possible for one to even go beyond the 99.99 percent and have direct contact with God in this life, however, such an experience is an extremely difficult one, and I believe would only be available to those who are seeking God in all that they do, or perhaps it would be better termed that God was seeking them for something in particular that he had planned for them to do, and it was necessary for him to have direct contact with them so that he could inform them of this something(hmm..thinks about the predestination thread..)

Your problem Thundar is that you still don't see that I am the second coming of Christ.

Oh well.

Wow. I post seriously in this thread, and like five pages later it's officially down the pisser.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Wow. I post seriously in this thread, and like five pages later it's officially down the pisser.

😄

(the truth is there isn't much left to say that is remotely serious)

Originally posted by FeceMan
Wow. I post seriously in this thread, and like five pages later it's officially down the pisser.

Are you whining again? 🙄

Originally posted by FeceMan
Wow. I post seriously in this thread, and like five pages later it's officially down the pisser.

That always happens.

May I add you also have taken serious posts down the pisser yourself?

Originally posted by Alliance
May I add you also have taken serious posts down the pisser yourself?

haermm

Originally posted by FeceMan
I have done no such thing.

Did you say that with a straight face? 😆

Originally posted by ~Flamboyant~
Sorry if this has been done, but which do you beleive in and why?

I personally beleive in the Evolution theory, because it has basically been scientifically proven. Especially by the Hard-Weinberg Principle.

Personally, I choose to put my faith in science, rather than myths, legends and fables.

Originally posted by Dreampanther
Personally, I choose to put my faith in science, rather than myths, legends and fables.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Your problem Thundar is that you still don't see that I am the second coming of Christ.

Oh well.

Problem being you don't understand that the "real" Christ has been here alive along. Love never dies bud. But evil eventually will.

Originally posted by Thundar
Problem being you don't understand that the "real" Christ has been here alive along. Love never dies bud. But evil eventually will.

👆