Originally posted by Ichigo66666Namor can't even take a mind controlled Wolverine. We've seen that on 2 occassions, and the only time he's fought a sane Wolverine he got dropped and had to have the imperial guard step in for the save. Wolverine has 2 wins and a draw against Namor.
Namor Takes Wolv 100/10.
Originally posted by Ichigo66666Thing is not smarter than Wolverine. Get real. Does Thing know 12 languages. Is Thing an expert hacker? The only area Thing might be as good as Wolverine in is aircraft knowledge, and that's a big MAYBE.
Also To Stay on Topic Thing Takes Wolverine. Smarter, Stronger, I don't care if Wolverine can Chip At Him, A few punches should do.
Wolverine doesn't need to chip at Thing. He's already proven Thing's hide offers no more resistance against Wolverine's claws than normal skin. One slash and half Thing's face is gone. One thrust goes easily through Thing's shoulder. There is no evidence to support your "chip" theory other than a single What If comic, which is non-cannon.
A few punches from the Hulk dont keep Wolverine down. A few punches from Thing will do less.
Originally posted by JyppeThere is not 1 shred of evidence that Wolverine was enhanced by Apocalypse at all. There is no proof for this rediculous assumption. If he had been enhanced in any way he'd still have those enhancements just like Archangel kept the metal wings for god knows how long. After Death Wolverine is EXACTLY as we remember him, therefor he was not enhanced. All Apoc did was restore his skeleton and give him a bunch of tech he'd know how to use anyway. Anyone who says otherwise is spouting BS.
Death Wolverine was powered up by Apocalypse!
Originally posted by JyppeHow do you know he punched it? Because the most likely senario is he blew it open with some of those massive marble bombs he was carrying around.
he could punch his way through titanium door which was reinforced by X-man at the time!
Originally posted by JyppeShe has strained herself holding Sabretooth before. Wolverine's psi-blockers could blank her TP easily as he's done it without psi-blockers on many occassions to top level Telepaths.
take Jean's Telepathy and Telekinesis,
Originally posted by JyppeYou say that like it's something special. A dying Wolverine has pushed his way through the blast of an Asgardian Uru hammer (just like Thor's) in one of the Uncanny Annuals. And Wolverine has got right back up after being obliterated by Cyclops so many times I dont even notice it anymore.
Cyclops' blasts
Originally posted by Jyppe
He could take blows from Colossus without a flinch
Originally posted by JyppeTech, tech, tech. Apoc has access to silly alien technology. And even if he didn't most of that crap can be stolen from Shield, AIM, Hydra, Weapon X, take your pick.
he could shoot EMPs, teleport, interrupt TP discussions. There's more. HE WAS ECHANCED!
I repeat: No evidence that he was enhanced. Everything out of the ordinary he did was through the use of technology supplied by Apocalypse. Where did these miraculous enhancements go? No where, because there were none. They are all sitting in some trunk in Wolverine's room somewhere. It's all bombs, force field generators, psi-blockers, etc.
Originally posted by JyppeIf the cutting was strength based yes, but it's not. His ability to cut is based on the extreme ultra fine blade. He can cut a 10 foot hole in foot thick Omnium steel (what they made the Vault out of) like it's paper, with a wave of his arm.
IMO Wolverine should be able to slash at Thing, but the stab he took at Thing went little too far. IMO the wound wouldn't have been so big, as isn't Thing complitely reingorced (Like Colossus) and his claws would have stopped beofre going that deep.
Originally posted by DinalfosThis is where I remind everyone that Wolverine fought alongside BANSHEE for years without discomfort. I think Banshee is a little louder than a 12 year old with no vocal powers.
So much for Wolverine standing up to the sound of Thunderclaps.
Originally posted by DinalfosWhat are you talking about? I'm no mutant with enhanced senses and it hurts my head when my little sister screams. That proves jack.
I know he's not k.o'd, but the sound of Thunderclap is many times louder than a girl's scream. Wolvie's enhanced hearing seemed to have a hard time with it.
Originally posted by DinalfosYeah so lethal he not only dodged Hulk's immediate follow up attack, but he also turns around and damn near KOs him, or at least did for a minute.
Ehm, no, my best evidence is in issue where Grey Hulk performs a Thunderclap and Wolverine admits that it's almost lethal to him.
Originally posted by SoleranWho cares? Bone Claws Wolvy survived a Green Hulk thunderclap no problem. And Wolverine's senses without adamantium where even more powerful than before. And any damage done by the Thunderclap (burst ear drums) will heal in about 0.24 seconds flat due to the healing factor. Thing is better off throwing cars at him.
uh I thought his healing factor made his senses better so wouldn't that actually make it worse?!
Originally posted by King_MungiThe way they are talking about it now is that this will be a story about the nature of the healing factor in general, and what kind of toll it takes on Logan's soul. Not depowering him in any way.
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Epilogue to "Vendetta" Logan's survived a plane crash, near-decapitation and being burned alive. The question is... HOW? In this special epilogue to the Civil War tie-in arc, the answers start to unfold. Think you know everything there is to know about Marvel's most popular mutant? Think again. Logan¹s newest mystery begins here.
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Originally posted by Darth Vegashow about the issue of Fantastic Four where Wolverine rips half Thing's face off with one swipe? And dont ask for it to be posted, we've seen it some 14 times already in this thread.
says the guy who keeps posting that same pic of Wolverine sticking the Thing. 😆 Can't YOU provide any evidence other than THAT pic?
Originally posted by Darth VegasNo, Rogue chucking Wolverine head forst at Ben with all her strength was what hurt him. Had Wolverine had his claws out Ben would have been dead. And today that impact would do nothing to Wolverine as he jumps off the Shield helicarrier for $hits and giggles.
And guess who dazed him? That's right, the Thing.?
Originally posted by Darth VegasWhy the hell would he need to prove it? It's common knowledge that Wolverine with no adamantium took several shots from HULK in the Savage Land and was perfectly fine. Wolverine with adamantium against weaker Thing is no challenge. He could EASILY take Thing's hits.
Show me
Originally posted by Darth VegasWolverine's healing factor has grown at a MUCH greater rate than Thing's strength. Thing had a better shot against Wolvy back in the day.
So? And the Thing is much stronger now than when that scan was taken. What's your point?
Originally posted by Darth VegasYet a very sick Wolverine with his powers on the fritz beat Thing in the Ultimate Universe??? Your logic beggars description.
It proves that no matter what universe they're in, Marvel says that the Thing owns Wolverine.
Originally posted by Darth VegasWolverine was not leaping at Thing in that fight. Wolverine was also not anywhere near his best thanks to the virus he was infected with. We saw at the end of that fight that Wolverine utilizing his speed and agility will embarass Thing's clumsy attempts to hit him. We also saw that Thing's blows can't even put down a weakened Wolverine.
Also, it shows that the Thing is [b]quick enough to clobber the agile and nimble Wolverine who's leaping at him.[/B]
Originally posted by Ultraman BaltanAnd Wolverine has battled Hulk. What does that prove, other than they fight the same people? Thing's strength is second rate to what Wolverien has dealt with and Thing's "skills" are inadequate at best compared to Wolverine's resume.
Thing kills him, plain and simple. He's too strong, well skilled, and has tangled with guys like Bi-Beast and Cauldren(both villains that have battles Hulk).
Originally posted by HorrificusWhat are you kidding?
Has Wolverine ever beaten a guy over class 80?
Originally posted by HorrificusWhat are you kidding?!? He ripped off the right side of Ben's face.
He was only barely able to get his claws through the hide on the Things face. At least, that's how I saw it.
Wolverine tore a hole through Ben's face. No 2 ways about it.
When you shove all 12 inches of claw through Ben's shoulder with no apparant effort, there is no "scratching" Ben cant stand up to the claws, plain and simple.
Originally posted by Ultraman BaltanWolverine kills him after the Thunderclap falls on deaf ears.
Thing kills him. Thunderclap for the win.
Originally posted by riceroostI thought Hulk has KOed Wolverine quite a bit...
3) Wolverine shrugs off Hulk punches. What is Colossus to that???
Tech, tech, tech. Apoc has access to silly alien technology. And even if he didn't most of that crap can be stolen from Shield, AIM, Hydra, Weapon X, take your pick.
Funny, of how little you know of Apoc. Apoc has Celstial technology. You know, the people who basically made Wolverine.
There is no way that any of the people you mentioned compare to Celestial tech.
Wolverine's been knocked out plenty of times via blunt force to his head. Even if the Hulk hasnt done it...Wolverine has no business fighting the Hulk anyway and the writers have to pull some inconsistencies to make their fights interesting.
Grimm has the fighting skills to take wolverine...he's gone up against the Hulk, Gladiator, Destroyer, Thanos...When dealing with Wolverine's weak ass he certainly holds back.
Yes Wolvie scratched off his face in F4 374...and what did Thing immediately do? He backhanded him out of the building.
Originally posted by riceroost
Namor can't even take a mind controlled Wolverine. We've seen that on 2 occassions, and the only time he's fought a sane Wolverine he got dropped and had to have the imperial guard step in for the save. Wolverine has 2 wins and a draw against Namor.
Thing is not smarter than Wolverine. Get real. Does Thing know 12 languages. Is Thing an expert hacker? The only area Thing might be as good as Wolverine in is aircraft knowledge, and that's a big MAYBE.Wolverine doesn't need to chip at Thing. He's already proven Thing's hide offers no more resistance against Wolverine's claws than normal skin. One slash and half Thing's face is gone. One thrust goes easily through Thing's shoulder. There is no evidence to support your "chip" theory other than a single What If comic, which is non-cannon.
A few punches from the Hulk dont keep Wolverine down. A few punches from Thing will do less.
There is not 1 shred of evidence that Wolverine was enhanced by Apocalypse at all. There is no proof for this rediculous assumption. If he had been enhanced in any way he'd still have those enhancements just like Archangel kept the metal wings for god knows how long. After Death Wolverine is EXACTLY as we remember him, therefor he was not enhanced. All Apoc did was restore his skeleton and give him a bunch of tech he'd know how to use anyway. Anyone who says otherwise is spouting BS.
How do you know he punched it? Because the most likely senario is he blew it open with some of those massive marble bombs he was carrying around.
She has strained herself holding Sabretooth before. Wolverine's psi-blockers could blank her TP easily as he's done it without psi-blockers on many occassions to top level Telepaths.
You say that like it's something special. A dying Wolverine has pushed his way through the blast of an Asgardian Uru hammer (just like Thor's) in one of the Uncanny Annuals. And Wolverine has got right back up after being obliterated by Cyclops so many times I dont even notice it anymore.1) Wolverine was floored by Colossus's blow, so there was probably some flinching involved.
2) Wolverine has shrugged off Colossus' hardest shots since one of their very first training sessions in I think Uncanny # 96. Guy had a smile on his face.
3) Wolverine shrugs off Hulk punches. What is Colossus to that???
Tech, tech, tech. Apoc has access to silly alien technology. And even if he didn't most of that crap can be stolen from Shield, AIM, Hydra, Weapon X, take your pick.I repeat: No evidence that he was enhanced. Everything out of the ordinary he did was through the use of technology supplied by Apocalypse. Where did these miraculous enhancements go? No where, because there were none. They are all sitting in some trunk in Wolverine's room somewhere. It's all bombs, force field generators, psi-blockers, etc.
Lmfao. What about when he broke Hulk's nose by just headbutting him? It's not very likely that Deathverine used those explosives on the doors as they quite clearly stated that he was comming literally through them.
How the hell do you explain that Deathverine was nearly uneffected by the combined TK attack from Phoenix, X-man and Cable?
Apocalypse has echanced the powers of all of his horseman so it's certainly plausible that he did it here. Maybe the echancements were located in his armor and after he discarded he no longer posessed them..?
You're just scared that the only real victory Wolverine has over Hulk isn't when he's on his own.
Originally posted by Jyppehe didn't break his nose. 🤨
Lmfao. What about when he broke Hulk's nose by just headbutting him?
dude, you're talking about a world where captain america has registered hits on namor IN WATER,
where iron fist took down the whole wrecking crew.. SANS IRON FIST.
where black panther has sent namor flying with a punch....
it's not out of the question that someone who's stronger than anyone of the previously mentioned human's and backed by an admantium skeleton would hurt the hulk with a shot to one of the bodie's most vulnerable spots...
i mean jesus, splice has hurt wonderman with kicks and punches, and he's a 2nd rate prowler for god's sakes.. but wolverine headbutts hulk to an effect and everyone goes up in arms?
look, wolverine has punched through solid steel, he's registered a kick to the abomination's skull, he's floored hulk repeatedly with kicks, he's punched out rough house, punched and kicked warpath into a losing position.... it's not unreasonable that a full force headbutt would stun hulk... which is exactly what it did.
Originally posted by Jyppeactually it's not likely at all.. considering that it's written there on the firggin page.. that he was "SHREDDING" them... shredding implies cutting.. what does wolverine have that can cut through titanium like a hot knife through butter?... wait lemme think.... hmmmmmm.
It's not very likely that Deathverine used those explosives on the doors as they quite clearly stated that he was comming literally through them.
Originally posted by JyppeLOL
How the hell do you explain that Deathverine was nearly uneffected by the combined TK attack from Phoenix, X-man and Cable?
Originally posted by Jyppehe did, no mistake about it... he gave wolverine an admantium skeleton... regular skeleton+ adamantium skeleton = ENHANCEMENT. 😐
Apocalypse has echanced the powers of all of his horseman so it's certainly plausible that he did it here.
Originally posted by Jyppe
Maybe the echancements were located in his armor and after he discarded he no longer posessed them..?
Originally posted by Jyppenonsense. wolverine shouldn't really have any victories over hulk.... and wolverine 145 or hulk 345 are about as close as he'll ever probably get but the fact remains hulk isnt' like every class 100... the fact that wolverine can give him trouble, alone, is a testement to how bad ass he is. If hulk didn't have a healing factor that act's like liquid metal then hulk would lose 95 % of the time he fights wolverine and he knows it. i.e. savage land fight....
You're just scared that the only real victory Wolverine has over Hulk isn't when he's on his own.
point being... thing is no hulk. or anything even close.. hulk>>>>>>>> (x20)>>> thing... end of discussion.
Originally posted by Horrificus
It takes super-powerhouses to tke out the Thing. If they ever, (please God), made him edgy-er, meaner, or gave him some sort of weapon or interest in killing arts, martial arts, it would be a bad day for the opposition.His Heart, Strength, Experience and Brains, with something that would give him more of an edge, would make him very dangerous.
Has Wolverine ever beaten a guy over class 80? I don't see how he would have enough power to push his claws through some or most of these guys. No matter how hard they are.
I have had trouble pushing a sharp knife through a block of cheese!
He was only barely able to get his claws through the hide on the Things face. At least, that's how I saw it.
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The THING PWNS him.
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Originally posted by Darth Vegas
.......says the guy who keeps posting that same pic of Wolverine sticking the Thing. 😆Can't YOU provide any evidence other than THAT pic?
Originally posted by Darth Vegas
And guess who dazed him? That's right, the Thing.
Originally posted by Darth Vegas
Show me.
(wolverine vs hulk #8) bone claws wolverine vs. green hulk even bone clawed wolverine took quite a few this from hulk.
here another fight wolverine had with a class 100 and came out on top. Wolverine takes in this fight with ba’al quite a good amount of hits and keeps coming.
http://img256.imageshack.us/my.php?image=t6xn.jpg
wolverine vs wendigo who is a class 100 and is taking hit quite fine.
http://img70.imageshack.us/my.php?image=w27dd.jpg
http://img70.imageshack.us/my.php?image=w36yd.jpg
death wolverine vs. hulk and as u can see hulk hitting him aint stopping him.
http://img427.imageshack.us/my.php?image=smash2vn.jpg
wolverine vs namor first fight
http://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?i...wolv40oq7fl.gif
(The New Invaders #6 enemy of the state tie-in) wolverine fight Namor and takes a few hits from Namor and keeps coming and wins the match, This is Namor and wolverine second fight with eachother
IS this good enough for you? Or would you want more evidence?
Originally posted by Darth Vegas
So? And the Thing is much stronger now than when that scan was taken. What's your point?
Logan healing powers are about 100 times that of which they were when he fought the thing back then can thing make the same boost about his strength?
Originally posted by Darth Vegas
So by that logic, Wolverine holding up his own against the Hulk in The Incredible Hulk #340 holds less leverage today because that comic is almost 20 years old?Ok. If you say so. 😆
Originally posted by Darth Vegas
It proves that no matter what universe they're in, Marvel says that the Thing owns Wolverine.
Originally posted by Darth Vegas
Also, it shows that the Thing is [b]quick enough to clobber the agile and nimble Wolverine who's leaping at him. [/B]
Originally posted by Darth Vegas
Man, you give Wolverine fanboys a bad name.And THAT's saying something.
Originally posted by Ultraman Baltan
Thing kills him, plain and simple.
Originally posted by Ultraman Baltan
He's too strong,
Originally posted by Ultraman Baltan
well skilled,
Originally posted by Ultraman Baltan
and has tangled with guys like Bi-Beast and Cauldren(both villains that have battles Hulk).
Originally posted by Horrificus
It takes super-powerhouses to tke out the Thing.
Originally posted by Horrificus
If they ever, (please God), made him edgy-er, meaner, or gave him some sort of weapon or interest in killing arts, martial arts, it would be a bad day for the opposition.
Originally posted by Horrificus
Has Wolverine ever beaten a guy over class 80?
Originally posted by Horrificus
I don't see how he would have enough power to push his claws through some or most of these guys. No matter how hard they are.
Originally posted by Horrificus
I have had trouble pushing a sharp knife through a block of cheese!
Originally posted by Horrificus
He was only barely able to get his claws through the hide on the Things face. At least, that's how I saw it.
Originally posted by Ultraman Baltan
Thing kills him.
Originally posted by Ultraman Baltan
Thunderclap for the win.
Originally posted by Darth Vegas
It's not canon to him because it shows Wolverine getting owned.
Not at all I simply did not know that run aways were cannon since I do not read them.
Originally posted by Darth Vegas
To him, it never happened. Ignorance is bliss.
You know what i think it's funny? The Juggernaut attacks the X-men and kicks the arses of everyone, and they all have to work together as a team to take him down, and it's always very hard, becoming clear that without a lot of teamwork is impossible for them to win, and none of them would last two seconds alone.
And then Hulk goes and kicks Juggs butt, in any version of his.
Next thing you know Wolverine goes toe to toe with mindless Hulk alone 😆
It's funny that when he's alone Wolverine is all the sudden 500 times more powerful than he's on a team 🙄
Originally posted by Omega-level
You know what i think it's funny? The Juggernaut attacks the X-men and kicks the arses of everyone, and they all have to work together as a team to take him down, and it's always very hard, becoming clear that without a lot of teamwork is impossible for them to win, and none of them would last two seconds alone.And then Hulk goes and kicks Juggs butt, in any version of his.
Next thing you know Wolverine goes toe to toe with mindless Hulk alone 😆
It's funny that when he's alone Wolverine is all the sudden 500 times more powerful than he's on a team 🙄
hulk really can't defeat classic juggs.
