Originally posted by Omega-level
Then you forgot to tell him, because he has done it more than once 😆
also what x-men jugg fight are you referring too. group fights are different then one on one it a whole another stratagie
he didn't break his nose.
he made his nose bleed, and forced hulk to stagger back a bit.. but broke it? uh.. no.....
Hercules isn't able to make enraged Hulk stagger, but then Wolverine comes and headbutts him and makes him stagger and bleed. I'm not sure wether he broke Hulk's nose or not, but I'd love to know how much strenght it would require to make Hulk bleed.
it's not out of the question that someone who's stronger than anyone of the previously mentioned human's and backed by an admantium skeleton would hurt the hulk with a shot to one of the bodie's most vulnerable spots...
Isn't Iron Fist able to augment his own strenght/stats to superhuman levels via Chi? It'd be more reasonable that Wolverine was augmented at the time, than that it was simply pis.
i mean jesus, splice has hurt wonderman with kicks and punches, and he's a 2nd rate prowler for god's sakes.. but wolverine headbutts hulk to an effect and everyone goes up in arms?
I wasn't that aggressive, was I? It's just so much more reasonable that he was augmented at the time. That there is actually an explanation for the occurance, other than shitty writing.
look, wolverine has punched through solid steel, he's registered a kick to the abomination's skull, he's floored hulk repeatedly with kicks, he's punched out rough house, punched and kicked warpath into a losing position.... it's not unreasonable that a full force headbutt would stun hulk... which is exactly what it did.
Scans...? Besides, it's very unreasonable that Wolverine's headbutt would normally do a thing to Hulk. All I was saying that it's quite reasonable that Wolverine was augmented at the time.
actually it's not likely at all.. considering that it's written there on the firggin page.. that he was "SHREDDING" them... shredding implies cutting.. what does wolverine have that can cut through titanium like a hot knife through butter?... wait lemme think.... hmmmmmm.
even though the book looks like he's punching the door down, he wasn't that's artist interpretation vs. storyline... he was STATED to be shredding through them... and X-man's tk is a non factor since tk failsafes were a part of the tech that apocalypse was stated to give wolverine.
Hmm, my books translated to finnish and it states that he's coming through the door. Translation difference? Can you post the scan for validity's sake?
Btw, how's TK a non factor when X-man was reinforcing the door? I'd understand it, if X-man was unable to touch Deatheverine with his TK, but how does Wolverine's TK blockers block him from reinforcing the door? And where do they state that Wolverine had TK blockers?
he did, no mistake about it... he gave wolverine an admantium skeleton... regular skeleton+ adamantium skeleton = ENHANCEMENT.
I meant more like enhancing their own powers to a higher level.
again in PHYSICAL CONFRONTATION in h2h deathwolverine faired WORSE against cable than either of theprevious two battles they had when he was normal... funny how that worked huh? especcially considering that he was supposed to have all these nifty "enhancements" you people keep raving on about...
Was he wearing his armor at the time?
Originally posted by Jyppeyes... the hulk that deathwolverine fought had a hinderence to his healing factor, while his strength was still the same apaocalypse and tyrannus both made several comments that hulk was in a state of "vunerability" after the whole war-hulk mess, so while he was still 100+ in strength, his HF took a hit.. it was still fast acting but not as much as it usually is. his does nothing but reinforce the idea that if hulk was any other class 100 without a healing factor wolverine would have offed him long ago.
Hercules isn't able to make enraged Hulk stagger, but then Wolverine comes and headbutts him and makes him stagger and bleed.
Originally posted by Jyppenot THAT much when his healing factor is impeded, I mean deadpool's put a normal katana blade through a sick hulk's back. 😬
I'm not sure wether he broke Hulk's nose or not, but I'd love to know how much strenght it would require to make Hulk bleed.
Originally posted by Jyppewhich is why i sais "sans Iron fist" he wasn't using chi when he did it, he was just using his skills.
Isn't Iron Fist able to augment his own strenght/stats to superhuman levels via Chi?
Originally posted by Jyppewolverine wasn't augmented, nor was it PIS, don't let your own shortsightedness of the story that was written allow you to think that you know about factors that were not only never stated, but never actually proven, and even in contrast with what actually happened.
It'd be more reasonable that Wolverine was augmented at the time, than that it was simply pis.
Originally posted by Jyppe
I wasn't that aggressive, was I? It's just so much more reasonable that he was augmented at the time. That there is actually an explanation for the occurance, other than shitty writing.
Originally posted by Jyppe
Scans...? Besides, it's very unreasonable that Wolverine's headbutt would normally do a thing to Hulk. All I was saying that it's quite reasonable that Wolverine was augmented at the time.
normally, maybe... maybe not... you have to realize that wolverine is also a class 7 fighter, he's proven himself superior to captain america, shang chi, iron fist. he knows what spots to hit on a body and how... and while it's arguable that he could or would effect a regular hulk with a headbutt (considering that iron fist has knocked hulk out, that captain america has registered pressure points on hulk, kicked the wind out of hulk, that spiderman has made hulk give up his grip with a kick, staggered him with a kick, etc etc..), it's however not only reasonable but LIKELY that wolverine's headbutt would effect a hulk who had an impeded HF.
Originally posted by Jyppeif I had the scan.. again something that's in my computer at home.. that MIGHT be in the respect thread too but I'm not sure...
Hmm, my books translated to finnish and it states that he's coming through the door. Translation difference? Can you post the scan for validity's sake?
Originally posted by Jyppeapocalypse states it once and it was stated again in deathwolverine's stated capabilities and power set in a wizard issue. and x-man can reinforce the door all he want's but he can't keep wolverine from slicing it to pieces and charging through it.. just because he was reinforcing the door, it didn't make the door impenitrable... esp since wolveirne had the tk failsafes.
Btw, how's TK a non factor when X-man was reinforcing the door? I'd understand it, if X-man was unable to touch Deatheverine with his TK, but how does Wolverine's TK blockers block him from reinforcing the door? And where do they state that Wolverine had TK blockers?
Originally posted by Jyppeskeleton that get crushed by a car creck>>changed to>> skeleton that stands up to hulk smashing it with a redwood and the destructive forced of a bomb... hmmm seems like a igher level to me.. 😬
meant more like enhancing their own powers to a higher level.
Originally posted by Jyppeyes..
Was he wearing his armor at the time?
and again.. he faired worse against angel too, then he did as normal wolverine against archangel... where were these enhancements then?
Originally posted by jinzin
yes... the hulk that deathwolverine fought had a hinderence to his healing factor, while his strength was still the same apaocalypse and tyrannus both made several comments that hulk was in a state of "vunerability" after the whole war-hulk mess, so while he was still 100+ in strength, his HF took a hit.. it was still fast acting but not as much as it usually is. his does nothing but reinforce the idea that if hulk was any other class 100 without a healing factor wolverine would have offed him long ago.not THAT much when his healing factor is impeded, I mean deadpool's put a normal katana blade through a sick hulk's back. 😬
which is why i sais "sans Iron fist" he wasn't using chi when he did it, he was just using his skills.
wolverine wasn't augmented, nor was it PIS, don't let your own shortsightedness of the story that was written allow you to think that you know about factors that were not only never stated, but never actually proven, and even in contrast with what actually happened.
no it's not... it WOULD BE reasonable if there was any other shred of evidence that supported the claim.. NEVER ANYWHERE THAT HAS YET BEEN PRESENTED was it stated that he was enhanced... the effects of his blows on hulk are consistent with the character and the story line at the time... and AGAIN... if wolverine was enhanced why did he fair worse in h2h against cable than he did as normal wolverine? why did he fair worse against angel in h2h than he did as normal wolverine against archangel? i'll tell you why.. cause he WASN'T enhanced...
so I'm not worth believing? Why would I make that stuff up.. look I think a number of those scans are in the wolverine respect thread, the warpath thing though I still have on my computer at home. if they're not their i can't help you though, my scanners been down for about 4 months now. anywho....
normally, maybe... maybe not... you have to realize that wolverine is also a class 7 fighter, he's proven himself superior to captain america, shang chi, iron fist. he knows what spots to hit on a body and how... and while it's arguable that he could or would effect a regular hulk with a headbutt (considering that iron fist has knocked hulk out, that captain america has registered pressure points on hulk, kicked the wind out of hulk, that spiderman has made hulk give up his grip with a kick, staggered him with a kick, etc etc..), it's however not only reasonable but LIKELY that wolverine's headbutt would effect a hulk who had an impeded HF.
if I had the scan.. again something that's in my computer at home.. that MIGHT be in the respect thread too but I'm not sure...
apocalypse states it once and it was stated again in deathwolverine's stated capabilities and power set in a wizard issue. and x-man can reinforce the door all he want's but he can't keep wolverine from slicing it to pieces and charging through it.. just because he was reinforcing the door, it didn't make the door impenitrable... esp since wolveirne had the tk failsafes.
skeleton that get crushed by a car creck>>changed to>> skeleton that stands up to hulk smashing it with a redwood and the destructive forced of a bomb... hmmm seems like a igher level to me.. 😬
yes..
and again.. he faired worse against angel too, then he did as normal wolverine against archangel... where were these enhancements then?
Hmm, I checked out the issues where Deathverine is first introduced to us.
I found a couple of more feats. The very first moment we are shown him. He attacks the base where Bastion is kept and he casually (While being invisible though) jumps through a wall that later on in the second issue takes Cyclops beam to get through. (A panel sated that it was one of the rare moments where Cyke gets to go all out, but I dunno what the orginal said as mine is dubbed in finnish)
And the second feats were maybe bit more durability feats, but still. He stops Cykes blast with his sword, rather easily (Cyke notes that he had everything he had in that shot, but it did nothing) Later on Deathverine casually takes a blast from Cyke and blocks it with his arm. Again, later Cyke shoots a lasting wide beam at Death. Death walks through that optic barrage with slight resistance. Now, don't you think it would take a lot of strenght to break through Cyke's full optic barrage.. No?
Besides, it's Cyke who states that Death is coming through the titanium doors like they were paper. Don't throw that BS at me that it's up to the artist what to draw. It clearly shows the doors being pounded to bits.
IMa going to take a look at the Wolverine's own issue where Kitty, Nightcrawler, Psylocke and Angel are after Wolverine.
Originally posted by Jyppe
Hmm, I checked out the issues where Deathverine is first introduced to us.I found a couple of more feats. The very first moment we are shown him. He attacks the base where Bastion is kept and he casually (While being invisible though) jumps through a wall that later on in the second issue takes Cyclops beam to get through. (A panel sated that it was one of the rare moments where Cyke gets to go all out, but I dunno what the orginal said as mine is dubbed in finnish)
what was the wall made out of?
does it show wolverine literally jumping through it?
I haven't seen this one so I can't speak for this feat myself. 😬 do you have scans?
Originally posted by Jyppemeh, not really THAT much more impressive then what normal wolverine's done with the muramasa blade (having backhanded 3 optic blasts simultaneosly with a casual swing of his sword, again a feat representable of what normal wolverine can or has done.
And the second feats were maybe bit more durability feats, but still. He stops Cykes blast with his sword, rather easily (Cyke notes that he had everything he had in that shot, but it did nothing)
Originally posted by Jyppeyes it would take a lot of strength, but again consistently speaking this isn't outside the perameters of what normal wolverine has done, riceroost stated that wolverine took on a no-visor shot from cyk, and walked through it to punch scott out on the other side during one of the brood storylines.
Later on Deathverine casually takes a blast from Cyke and blocks it with his arm. Again, later Cyke shoots a lasting wide beam at Death. Death walks through that optic barrage with slight resistance. Now, don't you think it would take a lot of strenght to break through Cyke's full optic barrage.. No?
Originally posted by Jyppeit's not bs.. it's true... 😬 the story states the doors where being shredded, the artist may have got it wrong.
Besides, it's Cyke who states that Death is coming through the titanium doors like they were paper. Don't throw that BS at me that it's up to the artist what to draw. It clearly shows the doors being pounded to bits.
I challenge you again to explain to me why deathwolverine faired worse against several oppoenents in hand to hand combat then he ever did as normal wolverine... where were his enhancements then?
what was the wall made out of?
does it show wolverine literally jumping through it?
I haven't seen this one so I can't speak for this feat myself. do you have scans?
Afraid not, it's decipted quite clearly that Wolverine's jumping through them or charging. I'll try to find a scan for you, or I'll scan my comic book with my School's scanner. "Don't you belive me"? 😉
meh, not really THAT much more impressive then what normal wolverine's done with the muramasa blade (having backhanded 3 optic blasts simultaneosly with a casual swing of his sword, again a feat representable of what normal wolverine can or has done.
I'm sure that Cyke wasn't going all out in origins. Besides, how many people think that Origins isn't PIS filled (Other than You, Rice, Capt & Skrank)? And, then again we're not exactly aware of how powerful the Muramasa blade is.
yes it would take a lot of strength, but again consistently speaking this isn't outside the perameters of what normal wolverine has done, riceroost stated that wolverine took on a no-visor shot from cyk, and walked through it to punch scott out on the other side during one of the brood storylines.
Scans? Your post sounds like you haven't see the event either. And apparently Scott's a lot more powerful than he used to be.
it's not bs.. it's true... the story states the doors where being shredded, the artist may have got it wrong.
Not really, it's Scott who states that Wolverine's coming through the door like it's paper. Do you have the comic? Besides, what confirms my theory is that X-man states that he's not able to hold him off for long. He wouldn't even be a factor if Death just took the door to pieces.
To make it bit clearer.
- Xman reinforces the door, Death tries to bash through it. The door is twisted and smashed, but it wont break down because X-man is "pushing" telenically from the other side.
- IF Death was to use his claws or that sword to hack the door to pieces there wouldn't be really anything the X-man could reinforce.
Hence it's quite clear that Deathverine isn't cutting the door to ribbons. This is backed up by logic and by the art of the comic.
I challenge you again to explain to me why deathwolverine faired worse against several oppoenents in hand to hand combat then he ever did as normal wolverine... where were his enhancements then?
I'm not sure where he was doing that badly. He himself states several times that "master has plans" and does not try to kill some of the characters (Namely X-man, Cable, Cyke and Jean) He did own Cable in the story line once. He threw him off the Black bird. (Cable was Koed before he was thrown off the plane) He didn't even want to kill Angel in the arc (Wonder why though)
When was he owned by any of these characters?