Yeah, based on your own conjecture. You don't have any proof to back up that claim.
sigh, that is all that can be brought up against runner. What do you expect when i could probably count his apearances one 1 hand.
But lets see...
You could also argue that surfer is faster than flash.(debatable). In the surfer fight runner was basically toying with surfer with his speed. Surfer couldnt even hit him with his cosmic blasts. It wasnt until runner slowed down and confronted surfer H2h that surfer actually could try to damage him. Which he didnt. He didnt have the space gem in that fight.
Thanos has never been speed blitz by surfer, but runner was able to do it. Yeah , i know he had the gem. But lets look into the gem for a sec.
-The elders didnt really tap into the gems full powers. some didnt even know they did anything at all.
-Runner comented that he would SOMETIMES be so fast he was at a certain place just by thinking it. meaning instant travel. Meaning those specific times he would tap into the gem.
-In the thanos fight. I dont recall runner instant traveling. Im pretty sure he blitz thanos with his own speed. Because like I said before the elders rarily taped into the gems powers.
So that is all we can base runners speed by.
1. he is probably faster than surfer. Based on their fight.
2. he was able to speedblitz thanos, a feat that not even surfer could acomplish. Probably without the use of the gem.
Im not saying that Runner is faster than flash or black flash for the simple fact that he doesnt have that many feats or apearances besides the ones I mentioned that would really go into his full potential.
Saying "flash is faster than runner cause i can pull out hundreds of scans" is kinda dumb considering the circumstances. 😬
Yeah, based on your own conjecture. You don't have any proof to back up that claim.
sigh, that is all that can be brought up against runner. What do you expect when i could probably count his apearances one 1 hand.
But lets see...
You could also argue that surfer is faster than flash.(debatable). In the surfer fight runner was basically toying with surfer with his speed. Surfer couldnt even hit him with his cosmic blasts. It wasnt until runner slowed down and confronted surfer H2h that surfer actually could try to damage him. Which he didnt. He didnt have the space gem in that fight.
Thanos has never been speed blitz by surfer, but runner was able to do it. Yeah , i know he had the gem. But lets look into the gem for a sec.
-The elders didnt really tap into the gems full powers. some didnt even know they did anything at all.
-Runner comented that he would SOMETIMES be so fast he was at a certain place just by thinking it. meaning instant travel. Meaning those specific times he would tap into the gem.
-In the thanos fight. I dont recall runner instant traveling. Im pretty sure he blitz thanos with his own speed. Because like I said before the elders rarily taped into the gems powers.
So that is all we can base runners speed by.
1. he is probably faster than surfer. Based on their fight.
2. he was able to speedblitz thanos, a feat that not even surfer could acomplish. Probably without the use of the gem.
Im not saying that Runner is faster than flash or black flash(or that flash/blackflash are faster than runner either) for the simple fact that he doesnt have that many feats or apearances besides the ones I mentioned that would really go into his full potential.
Saying "flash is faster than runner cause i can pull out hundreds of scans" is kinda dumb considering the circumstances. 😬
The problem with arguing that any character is faster than Flash is that Flash has no speed limit that we know of. He can steal speed, lend speed, make speed into a flaming lightning suit around his body, travel through time and dimensions, and do countless other things relating to controlling the "energy" of speed.
I'm not trying to say that Runner has a limit either, that's why it's kind of pointless to argue.
Yes, Black Flash almost caught Wally. So what? Wally didn't use a single speed trick. He just ran to get to the end of time and have Black Flash close enough behind him to make him fall into his trap. It's nice to see people taking an interest in "older" Flash comics (Black Flash was around issue 130 if I recall correctly) and Wally has gone faster and learned more and more how to control the speed force in the 100 issues since that whole debacle.
Originally posted by LindquistBF didnt almost catch flash....he did catch him
The problem with arguing that any character is faster than Flash is that Flash has no speed limit that we know of. He can steal speed, lend speed, make speed into a flaming lightning suit around his body, travel through time and dimensions, and do countless other things relating to controlling the "energy" of speed.I'm not trying to say that Runner has a limit either, that's why it's kind of pointless to argue.
Yes, Black Flash almost caught Wally. So what? Wally didn't use a single speed trick. He just ran to get to the end of time and have Black Flash close enough behind him to make him fall into his trap. It's nice to see people taking an interest in "older" Flash comics (Black Flash was around issue 130 if I recall correctly) and Wally has gone faster and learned more and more how to control the speed force in the 100 issues since that whole debacle.
Originally posted by DreampantherYES! why cant other people understand that? the fack that u can not outrun the black flash is proven on this page!
Black Flash is a metaphor for death. And you can't outrun death (unless you're immortal). Therefore you can't outrun the Black Flash, no matter how fast you run.He will always catch you in the end.
Originally posted by Dreampanther
Black Flash is a metaphor for death. And you can't outrun death (unless you're immortal). Therefore you can't outrun the Black Flash, no matter how fast you run.He will always catch you in the end.
The runner is immortal BTW 🙂
and sorry for the double post up there. Something screwy happened to my internet connection yesterday.
I found this link on Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runner_(comics)
and this link was provided by Wiki
http://www.norse-man.net/Marvel/Char-R/Runner.htm
I think if we interpret this the same way Black Flash translates to a metaphor for death, then the Runner did in fact beat Black Flash by becoming immortal. The same way Wally could beat Black Flash if he should gain the key to immortality.
Interesting, though, is the quote that says "the Runner found some key to longevity that enabled him to escape the fate of the rest of his species. The exact nature of this key remains unclear, but it seems related to total freedom. On one occasion, he told the Silver Surfer that had he been forced to endure captivity on one planet, he would have died."
Perhaps we mis-interpreted Black Flash! Perhaps he is not a sprinter, but rather a marathon athlete, and the race is still continuing!
😛
Originally posted by Dreampanther
I found this link on Wikipediahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runner_(comics)
and this link was provided by Wiki
http://www.norse-man.net/Marvel/Char-R/Runner.htm
I think if we interpret this the same way Black Flash translates to a metaphor for death, then the Runner did in fact beat Black Flash by becoming immortal. The same way Wally could beat Black Flash if he should gain the key to immortality.
Interesting, though, is the quote that says "the Runner found some key to longevity that enabled him to escape the fate of the rest of his species. The exact nature of this key remains unclear, but it seems related to total freedom. On one occasion, he told the Silver Surfer that had he been forced to endure captivity on one planet, he would have died."
Perhaps we mis-interpreted Black Flash! Perhaps he is not a sprinter, but rather a marathon athlete, and the race is still continuing!
😛
I think what he told surfer took place before death banished the elders from her realm, thus granting them immortality.
Originally posted by galan7777777
YES! why cant other people understand that? the fack that u can not outrun the black flash is proven on this page!
http://img208.echo.cx/my.php?image=flash141p015qq.jpg
You're really stuck one one line of narrative from one panel in one issue by one writer. Read the other 229 Flash issues and then come back and argue that he has any sort of limit to his speed.
Originally posted by Lindquistas fast as wally is, he cannot outrun black flash=death, wally isnt immortal
You're really stuck one one line of narrative from one panel in one issue by one writer. Read the other 229 Flash issues and then come back and argue that he has any sort of limit to his speed.
I hope Wally comes back and either takes back the Flash mantle or comes back with Barry and Barry takes back the Flash mantle and Wally makes his own idenity.
I mean seriously, Dick is Nightwing, Roy is Arsenal, Garth is Tempest and Donna is Troya (being WW dosent really count 😛). I think its time for Wally to establish his own idenity or at least his own costume
Originally posted by invisiblewoman
he wasn't talking about a new series and the scan should be enough proof that bf can't be outran and if you are imortal he would have no reason to chase u and we aren't talking about him being dead yet we r talking about bf being faster and he is as i said per the scans
Alright, let's analyze everything wrong with that one page you keep resorting too.
Barry was not caught by Black Flash. Barry reappeared in Infinite Crisis (or he's still stuck in a constant loop where he turns into the lightning bolt that struck himself). Barry is not dead.
Johnny Quick was killed by Savitar (IIRC) with no mention of Black Flash ever racing after him at any time (back when Waid was writing).
Savitar went to speed force heaven, but was not killed (again, no mention of Black Flash). He got exactly what he was searching for by linking up with the speed force (this also happened when Waid was writing).
Hmm, I'm just starting to wonder how legit this page is...
Oh! A man name Mark Millar wrote this arc while Waid was away writing JLA Year 1. That explains all the discontinuity. Millar wrote a total of 11 issues out of the 230 issue run. I wonder why Johns never cared to mention Black Flash ever again in the rest of the run.
Bottom line (and I will not respond to this thread again since you have no argument): One sentence from one thought of one issue about a character written and created by a temporary replacement does not contradict the fact that Wally never had any limit to his speed. Wally could always go faster.
Originally posted by Lindquistdont u understand black fash=death, so u could say that no matter how they died, black flash eventually caught up with them, because as i said black flash IS death itself
Alright, let's analyze everything wrong with that one page you keep resorting too.Barry was not caught by Black Flash. Barry reappeared in Infinite Crisis (or he's still stuck in a constant loop where he turns into the lightning bolt that struck himself). Barry is not dead.
Johnny Quick was killed by Savitar (IIRC) with no mention of Black Flash ever racing after him at any time (back when Waid was writing).
Savitar went to speed force heaven, but was not killed (again, no mention of Black Flash). He got exactly what he was searching for by linking up with the speed force (this also happened when Waid was writing).
Hmm, I'm just starting to wonder how legit this page is...
Oh! A man name Mark Millar wrote this arc while Waid was away writing JLA Year 1. That explains all the discontinuity. Millar wrote a total of 11 issues out of the 230 issue run. I wonder why Johns never cared to mention Black Flash ever again in the rest of the run.
Bottom line (and I will not respond to this thread again since you have no argument): One sentence from one thought of one issue about a character written and created by a temporary replacement does not contradict the fact that Wally never had any limit to his speed. Wally could always go faster.
