Originally posted by Grimm22
Wolverine has actually found cures for cancer and AIDS and has pinpointed Osama's location.Of course he dosent dare revail any of these things, because he would lose his bad boy image 😛
do you ever post something serious? you just tell stupid jokes because you got nothing to say ..... yes wolverine kicked things ass get over it ...you dont need to hate a fiction character for beating your hero with a single hit sorry
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Yeah, he didn't do it. Why? Because he was holding back. An all-out Namor would have just kept punching Wolverine until there would have been nothing else then a bloody mass of adamantium bones left. He would not have given him time to kick him, he would have kept punching him while he was falling down.And Namor wasn't angry either. He after all, let Wolverine dress up.
He was talking. Knocked out people usually don't talk.
Namor didn't kick Wolverine because he was holding back.
So, they both were holding back.
Still doesn't change the fact that only time Wolverine gets a chance to stab Namor is that if Namor is holding back.
namor couldnt keep punching wolverine because wolverine felt down, and it doest stated how fast wolverine reacted, maybe just the second he hit the groung he knocked namor, maybe namor was about to hit wolverine again but he couldnt because wolverine was too fast.... admit it man its all speculations that cant be proven ... just cant... you can say that about every super hero that ever lost... you can say wait a second he could do that and that , but he didnt and thats the point, wolverine reacted too fast for namor to lay down another punch
namor had time to kick wolverine but again he didt do it , and wolverine was holding back before when he dressed up so it wouldnt come to this if wolverine kept attacking namor, namor didnt gave wolverine time to dress wolverine is the one that gave namor time to stand up, wolverine went to wear his shirt and then namor got up so wolverine was holding back
if namor was so fast he would avoid that stab doesnt he? i mean look for a second, it takes some time for someone to get up, wolverine was laying on his front side, not to get up and stab namor it took him some seconds and all that time namor could avoid that , now you will say that namor wanted to be hit? he wasnt fast enough thats all
and again after wolverine stabed him he didnt continue to trash him he was holding back
Originally posted by wolvertooth
namor couldnt keep punching wolverine because wolverine felt down, and it doest stated how fast wolverine reacted, maybe just the second he hit the groung he knocked namor, maybe namor was about to hit wolverine again but he couldnt because wolverine was too fast.... admit it man its all speculations that cant be proven ... just cant... you can say that about every super hero that ever lost... you can say wait a second he could do that and that , but he didnt and thats the point, wolverine reacted too fast for namor to lay down another punch
Namor's hand speed is easily fast enough to hit Wolverine half a dozen times before he hits the ground.
Wolverine wasn't too fast, Namor was just holding back.
Originally posted by wolvertooth
namor had time to kick wolverine but again he didt do it , and wolverine was holding back before when he dressed up so it wouldnt come to this if wolverine kept attacking namor, namor didnt gave wolverine time to dress wolverine is the one that gave namor time to stand up, wolverine went to wear his shirt and then namor got up so wolverine was holding back
Namor was holding back. Namor gave Wolverine time to dress up and have a little speech. And Namor also did not use flight to avoid being fallen down, thus, Wolverine only was capable of putting Namor down because he let him.
Originally posted by wolvertooth
if namor was so fast he would avoid that stab doesnt he? i mean look for a second, it takes some time for someone to get up, wolverine was laying on his front side, not to get up and stab namor it took him some seconds and all that time namor could avoid that , now you will say that namor wanted to be hit? he wasnt fast enough thats all
Except that Namor has already reacted to faster things in less time. I have already shown you some of these of feats.
So, either writer wasn't aware of how fast Namor is, or Namor was holding back on that occasion too.
Originally posted by wolvertooth
and again after wolverine stabed him he didnt continue to trash him he was holding back
So was Namor. You can't change that.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Namor's hand speed is easily fast enough to hit Wolverine half a dozen times before he hits the ground.Wolverine wasn't too fast, Namor was just holding back.
Namor was holding back. Namor gave Wolverine time to dress up and have a little speech. And Namor also did not use flight to avoid being fallen down, thus, Wolverine only was capable of putting Namor down because he let him.
Except that Namor has already reacted to faster things in less time. I have already shown you some of these of feats.
So, either writer wasn't aware of how fast Namor is, or Namor was holding back on that occasion too.
So was Namor. You can't change that.
you see namor concetrated his force into one punch and wolverine felt right away, namor planed just to lay one punch on wolverine, when you punch someone and he falls down you cant hit him again before he falls down becaose you concitrate your force inti one punch and namor thought it would be enough to take wolverine down and before he understood that its not enough wolverine knocked him down thats the case
namor gave wolverine time to dres?? namor was down on the floor while wolverine walked away... wolverine is the one that gave namor time if wolverine wanted he could continue to hit namor right after namor felt down , he could deliver a stab to namor right away and namor was on the ground , but wolverine just walked so wolverine is the one that gave namor a brake
wolverine can catch a bullet with his hands, he is very fast , the fact is that namor couldnt react fast enough and belive me that namor would do it if he could, i mean wolverine was about to stab him so he wasnt holding back if he could avoid it he would do it right away
Originally posted by wolvertooth
you see namor concetrated his force into one punch and wolverine felt right away, namor planed just to lay one punch on wolverine, when you punch someone and he falls down you cant hit him again before he falls down becaose you concitrate your force inti one punch and namor thought it would be enough to take wolverine down and before he understood that its not enough wolverine knocked him down thats the case
Namor could have still punched him more then one time. Or could have punched him with more force then that. Or both together. Like this:
http://img385.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorfeat844js.gif
http://img385.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorfeat853hz.gif
And Wolverine knocked him down because he didn't use his flight. THAT's the case. Namor would have not been on ground if he had used his flight.
Thus, he was holding back.
Originally posted by wolvertooth
namor gave wolverine time to dres?? namor was down on the floor while wolverine walked away... wolverine is the one that gave namor time if wolverine wanted he could continue to hit namor right after namor felt down , he could deliver a stab to namor right away and namor was on the ground , but wolverine just walked so wolverine is the one that gave namor a brake
Namor would not even be on the ground if he wasn't holding back...look above.
Originally posted by wolvertooth
wolverine can catch a bullet with his hands, he is very fast , the fact is that namor couldnt react fast enough and belive me that namor would do it if he could, i mean wolverine was about to stab him so he wasnt holding back if he could avoid it he would do it right away
And Namor can catch TWO objects FASTER then bullets with his hands on same time. Or react to objects HUNDREDS OF TIMES faster then bullets and jump from one of them to other while chasing a freaking spaceship. Or dodge 600 bullets PER SECOND. Or dodge dozens of lasers on the same time, which are THOUSANDS of times faster then bullets, and he can do that while carrying someone.
You are, again, ignoring all other comics Namor has been and basing his speed on this one encounter. Wolverine is not too fast for him. The writer is just a retard who does not know even one percent of what Namor is capable of doing.
And Namor had two seconds to do anything he wanted to Wolverine, but he didn't.
Holding back.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Namor could have still punched him more then one time. Or could have punched him with more force then that. Or both together. Like this:
http://img385.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorfeat844js.gif
http://img385.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorfeat853hz.gifAnd Wolverine knocked him down because he didn't use his flight. THAT's the case. Namor would have not been on ground if he had used his flight.
Thus, he was holding back.
Namor would not even be on the ground if he wasn't holding back...look above.
And Namor can catch TWO objects FASTER then bullets with his hands on same time. Or react to objects HUNDREDS OF TIMES faster then bullets and jump from one of them to other while chasing a freaking spaceship. Or dodge 600 bullets PER SECOND. Or dodge dozens of lasers on the same time, which are THOUSANDS of times faster then bullets, and he can do that while carrying someone.
You are, again, ignoring all other comics Namor has been and basing his speed on this one encounter. Wolverine is not too fast for him. The writer is just a retard who does not know even one percent of what Namor is capable of doing.
And Namor had two seconds to do anything he wanted to Wolverine, but he didn't.
Holding back.
there are many fights where wolverine is avoiding punches , a well writen wolverine could avoin a punch like that, the guy that namor is punching is still standing thats why namor punched him so many times, because he didnt felt down, wolverine felt down after the first punch and was on the ground namor couldnt punch him any longer, and right away wolverine knocked him on the floor, so you say that namor is too fast to fall down and can fly right away? can you show that something like this already happened? namor was surprised and felt down right away, if i do by your words then namor cant fall at all he can fly right away... if you got scans of him doing it it would be great
so if you say that namor is soooo fast then how he even can be touched? i mean no one suppose to even touch him right? there were many times when wolverine was training in the danger room and he avoided lasers , he avoided shots, he avoided many traps, hell every x-men almost can do that , so if he avoided lasers does it means that he is super fast? remember its a comics, even cyclops avoiding all those traps and lasers , chasing a spaceship? thats the speed of his flight... but how fast is he on the ground? there is a huge difference between speed of flight and speed of fighting, storm can fly at same speed as an air plane but she is not very fast on the groung its different, in wolverine #182 he was surounded by mabsters with guns and in less then a second he cutted all there guns into pieces, damn if i had a scaner i could post so many scans, anyway wolverine cutted the guns so fast that they didnt get what happened , wolverines speed is not to be underestimated,and again most of namor speed is in the water but it was out the water where he is not that fast , wolverine had time to do anything he wanted to namor twice and he didnt
Originally posted by wolvertooth
there are many fights where wolverine is avoiding punches , a well writen wolverine could avoin a punch like that, the guy that namor is punching is still standing thats why namor punched him so many times, because he didnt felt down, wolverine felt down after the first punch and was on the ground namor couldnt punch him any longer, and right away wolverine knocked him on the floor, so you say that namor is too fast to fall down and can fly right away? can you show that something like this already happened? namor was surprised and felt down right away, if i do by your words then namor cant fall at all he can fly right away... if you got scans of him doing it it would be great
No, Namor simply punched him with speed that he didn't have time to fall down, then punched the most powerful punch in the last page and sent him flying. Namor's hand speed is enough to carve a statue in a SECOND, he can easily punch Wolverine before he goes down.
And you are right, he IS too fast to fall down and CAN fly right away, and it HAS happened before. Here is just one example.
http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/6241/cantfallqf1.gif
Originally posted by wolvertooth
so if you say that namor is soooo fast then how he even can be touched? i mean no one suppose to even touch him right? there were many times when wolverine was training in the danger room and he avoided lasers , he avoided shots, he avoided many traps, hell every x-men almost can do that , so if he avoided lasers does it means that he is super fast? remember its a comics, even cyclops avoiding all those traps and lasers , chasing a spaceship? thats the speed of his flight... but how fast is he on the ground? there is a huge difference between speed of flight and speed of fighting, storm can fly at same speed as an air plane but she is not very fast on the groung its different, in wolverine #182 he was surounded by mabsters with guns and in less then a second he cutted all there guns into pieces, damn if i had a scaner i could post so many scans, anyway wolverine cutted the guns so fast that they didnt get what happened , wolverines speed is not to be underestimated,and again most of namor speed is in the water but it was out the water where he is not that fast , wolverine had time to do anything he wanted to namor twice and he didnt
Actually, only ONE of the examples I said happened in the water. All others happened outside of it. And unless Namor is dehydrated (and his current suit keeps him hydrated), he is as fast in ground as he is in water.
A well written Namor won't be stabbed by Wolverine.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
No, Namor simply punched him with speed that he didn't have time to fall down, then punched the most powerful punch in the last page and sent him flying. Namor's hand speed is enough to carve a statue in a SECOND, he can easily punch Wolverine before he goes down.And you are right, he IS too fast to fall down and CAN fly right away, and it HAS happened before. Here is just one example.
http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/6241/cantfallqf1.gifActually, only ONE of the examples I said happened in the water. All others happened outside of it. And unless Namor is dehydrated (and his current suit keeps him hydrated), he is as fast in ground as he is in water.
A well written Namor won't be stabbed by Wolverine.
in the link you posted spider-man punches namor... if he is so fast how come he cant avoid spider-mans punch?
and heres a link where he puncjes someone and he goes down why didnt namor punched him more?
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/7126/submariner30030tz.jpg
sometimes they show characters with better fitures and sometimes they dont, if you look only on the perfect fights of the character then no one is supose to beat your character, if i take the best wolverine fights where he is so fast and strong then no one of the street levelers shouldnt be able to hurt him or do anything, namor could give more punches? come on you can say that about every character in the history of comics that ever gave one punch , superman for excemple , as i sayed before... namor gave wolverine a punch and thats the case... it doesnt matter what you think he could do wolverine felt and took namor down after that those are the facts
and heres namor getting a punch and falls down why doesnt he fly here?
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/1244/namorfeat389hi.gif
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/9690/vsnamor1g1uk.jpg
iron-man is faster here then namor.... where is his all mughty speed here?
and iron man ass was kicked by much weaker characters
http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/1966/vsnamor1f5ue.jpg
ironman is fast anough to punch namor and ironman is not very fast ... captain america is faster then him in a fight
and ironman hits namor in the water
http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/3382/vsnamor1c1wy.jpg
Originally posted by wolvertooth
in the link you posted spider-man punches namor... if he is so fast how come he cant avoid spider-mans punch?
As you can see from the page.
Originally posted by wolvertooth
and heres a link where he puncjes someone and he goes down why didnt namor punched him more?
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/7126/submariner30030tz.jpg/B]
Because he is insane in that example...
Originally posted by wolvertooth
[B]sometimes they show characters with better fitures and sometimes they dont, if you look only on the perfect fights of the character then no one is supose to beat your character, if i take the best wolverine fights where he is so fast and strong then no one of the street levelers shouldnt be able to hurt him or do anything, namor could give more punches? come on you can say that about every character in the history of comics that ever gave one punch , superman for excemple , as i sayed before... namor gave wolverine a punch and thats the case... it doesnt matter what you think he could do wolverine felt and took namor down after that those are the facts
Yeah, he took Namor down. Namor who did not use his full speed, full skills and full strength. Those are the facts. Namor did not use his full capablities in that fight, and you can't argue that.
Originally posted by wolvertooth
and heres namor getting a punch and falls down why doesnt he fly here?
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/1244/namorfeat389hi.gif
Because the writer wrotes him with less capabilities?
Originally posted by wolvertooth
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/9690/vsnamor1g1uk.jpg
iron-man is faster here then namor.... where is his all mughty speed here?
Because Namor is dehydrated and weak...READ THE TEXT.
Originally posted by wolvertooth
and iron man ass was kicked by much weaker characters
Namor's kicked Iron Man's ass when he has NOT been dehydrated.
Originally posted by wolvertooth
http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/1966/vsnamor1f5ue.jpg
ironman is fast anough to punch namor
Namor is dehydrated and weak...again, READ THE TEXT.
Why are you focusing to his low showings anyway? I could do the same to Wolverine...
If he is so durable, why did a deer knock him down?
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Namor wasn't taking the fight for real. He was trying to avoid Spider-Man and continue his walking...As you can see from the page.
Because he is insane in that example...
Yeah, he took Namor down. Namor who did not use his full speed, full skills and full strength. Those are the facts. Namor did not use his full capablities in that fight, and you can't argue that.
Because the writer wrotes him with less capabilities?
Because Namor is dehydrated and weak...READ THE TEXT.
Namor's kicked Iron Man's ass when he has NOT been dehydrated.
Namor is dehydrated and weak...again, READ THE TEXT.
Why are you focusing to his low showings anyway? I could do the same to Wolverine...
If he is so durable, why did a deer knock him down?
oh come on.... i show you scans where nomer doesnt do what you sayed that he should do in every fight and you just say the writer doesnt know anything about him or that he was writen bad.... i think a writer should know better then you... he is the writer you know, just because once or twice namor did it that doesnt mean that he supose to do it all the time, i can take wolverines best out the nest fights and go by them ... where no one cant tuch him, where he cut tanos.. so i can say he can cut anyone ican also say wolverine is too fast and no one canthit him if i jugje by the things he done in his best fights... i showed you scans where namor didnt do what you sayed he supose to do
oh ye and heres a scan where ironman punch namor in the water.. and namor was just fine in the water because he punched ironman first
http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/3382/vsnamor1c1wy.jpg
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerIf he is so durable, why did a deer knock him down?
knocked him? the deer hit wolverine yes but he was pretending he is hurt just so he could surprise his student and get first to the jeep... if you would read that issue and not just looking at a single picture... you could see that his student ran fast to the jeep and wolverine was there already so basically wolverine just got hit but healed from it really fast
and heres the thing who is much slower then wolverine hit namor without a problem even underwater... namor is so fast that even the thing hits him and face it the thing is no where near fast as wolverine
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/NamorandThingFF147.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/NamorandThing.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/NamorandThing3.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/NamorandThing4.jpg
too fast?
Originally posted by wolvertooth
oh come on.... i show you scans where nomer doesnt do what you sayed that he should do in every fight and you just say the writer doesnt know anything about him or that he was writen bad.... i think a writer should know better then you... he is the writer you know, just because once or twice namor did it that doesnt mean that he supose to do it all the time, i can take wolverines best out the nest fights and go by them ... where no one cant tuch him, where he cut tanos.. so i can say he can cut anyone ican also say wolverine is too fast and no one canthit him if i jugje by the things he done in his best fights... i showed you scans where namor didnt do what you sayed he supose to do
I could show you scans where it takes Wolverine about a week to heal one eye.
Does that make it his normal level of healing?
Originally posted by wolvertooth
oh ye and heres a scan where ironman punch namor in the water.. and namor was just fine in the water because he punched ironman first
http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/3382/vsnamor1c1wy.jpg
Does not make it Namor's level of speed...
Originally posted by wolvertooth
knocked him? the deer hit wolverine yes but he was pretending he is hurt just so he could surprise his student and get first to the jeep... if you would read that issue and not just looking at a single picture... you could see that his student ran fast to the jeep and wolverine was there already so basically wolverine just got hit but healed from it really fast
That is just one of the examples I am talking about. I could show you more feats like that.
Originally posted by wolvertooth
and heres the thing who is much slower then wolverine hit namor without a problem even underwater... namor is so fast that even the thing hits him and face it the thing is no where near fast as wolverine
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/NamorandThingFF147.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/NamorandThing.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/NamorandThing3.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/NamorandThing4.jpgtoo fast?
Doesn't make Namor's normal level of speed what it is in that picture.
AGAIN, you use Wolverine's better showings to calculate his abilities, I am just doing the same with Namor. If you are going to use Namor's lowest showings to calculate his abilities, I will do the same with Wolverine.
Don't be a filthy hypocrite.
alright then if i go by wolverines best feats he shouldnt get hit in the first place like that his reflexes are much better then that, and when namor did punch him he should kick him back in the face like he did in his best fight when someone punch him he returns a strike right back, and when wolverine knocked namor down he should continue to beat him but instead he went to wear his shirt and left namor laying on the ground , and when wolverine stabed namor he should hit major organs because he knows them all, but he just stabed namor and threw him down , wolverine should continue to trash and slash namor as he does in his fights usually but he didnt, and still with all those holdings back wolverine still had the upper hand.
Originally posted by wolvertooth
alright then if i go by wolverines best feats he shouldnt get hit in the first place like that his reflexes are much better then that, and when namor did punch him he should kick him back in the face like he did in his best fight when someone punch him he returns a strike right back, and when wolverine knocked namor down he should continue to beat him but instead he went to wear his shirt and left namor laying on the ground , and when wolverine stabed namor he should hit major organs because he knows them all, but he just stabed namor and threw him down , wolverine should continue to trash and slash namor as he does in his fights usually but he didnt, and still with all those holdings back wolverine still had the upper hand.
If you go with Wolverine's best showings, I go with Namor's. None of the stuff you mattered means anything, because if Namor would have been fighting to his fullest, Wolverine would not be able to stab him, because he would actually dodge it (like he has done to faster things in similar situations). None of Wolverine's best showings also have him completely unaffected by several Namor class punches with the speed Namor puts them.
And whereas Wolverine needs to get close to Namor in order to defeat him, Namor can electrocute him, split open the ground under him, thunderclap him, bury him under a small mountain, etc...
Namor fighting at full power would defeat Wolverine with full power.
Easily.
And of course Wolverine had upper hand. Namor wasn't using 0.1% of what he is capable of.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
If you go with Wolverine's best showings, I go with Namor's. None of the stuff you mattered means anything, because if Namor would have been fighting to his fullest, Wolverine would not be able to stab him, because he would actually dodge it (like he has done to faster things in similar situations). None of Wolverine's best showings also have him completely unaffected by several Namor class punches with the speed Namor puts them.And whereas Wolverine needs to get close to Namor in order to defeat him, Namor can electrocute him, split open the ground under him, thunderclap him, bury him under a small mountain, etc...
Namor fighting at full power would defeat Wolverine with full power.
Easily.
And of course Wolverine had upper hand. Namor wasn't using 0.1% of what he is capable of.
first of all wolverine in his best showings dodged from punches, was much faster then lasers, even a guy with a machin gun couldnt hurt him, in many situations wolverine let people shoothim or hurt him because he knows he got healing factor, but the times where wolverine does show his speed its amazing, namor showed many times speed but i didnt see much of that speed in a fight, it seems that his speed is to dodge shots or any energy attack but i a h2h fight i never saw him very fast, iron man hit him, the thing hit him, it seems that when it comes to a fight he gets punched no matter how slow the character is , wolverine showed a lot of features that can say that he is very fast, catching bullets with his hand, avoiding lasers one after another, avoiding shots from a machin gun, and in fights in his best fetures he is very fast and always bring 10000 cuts before his enemy even give him a punch , he always resursable, he always finds a way to get out of a situation even when he is much over powered like his fights vs wendigo hulk caliban thing roughouse ... he is peak human and still takes down powerhouses , and all those powerhouses at least most of them can split the ground create earth quekes or thunderclup( the thunderclup thing beginning to be really stupid already) and still wolverine took them all out you forgeting one of the most importent thing and thats the healing factor, and you really think wolverine is going to stand in his place and wait for namor to do all that to him? come on the same way at the beginning wolverine can cut namor right at the start he is very fast, just stick his claws into namors throat , guts, cut his eyes like wolverine did to blob, the guy took beating from hulk and still owned him, the guy took down the thing with single blow.... twice 😕 , namor may be faster at flying, but on the ground in a fight i dont see anyway namor is faster, and if wolverine stab namor in a major part bye bye namor ... after all namor can be hurt by wolverines claws , the hulk pounded wolverine with his both fists which opened the ground and still wolverine continue to fight and owned him, you know theres a reason why wolverine takes all those powerhouses time after time
i dont have a scanner so i post whatever i can find here but here are some feats that show the speed of wolverine
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/sinister_samurai/Wolverine/a2ba2451.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/crfroma/Wolverinev1-068-17.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/crfroma/Wolverinev1-068-18.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/crfroma/uxm178pg03_low_res.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v700/dprfla/wolverine34.jpg
there are just some of really few, in wolverine 182 he cuts all the guns around him so fast that they didnt know what happened, in the darkness wolverine he catches a bullet with his hand, in the x-men training he dodged lasers that shor one after another, but his best speed is in the fights themselves
credits for the scans i posted goes to jinzin,creshosk,logan87,and cept it up, nice scans guys
