Just so you know, ARC troopers have more than just blasters. ARC troopers were commonly armed with the Westar-M5 heavy repeating blaster, ARC trooper assault rifle, DC-17 hand blasters, and fragmentation and reverse-polarity pulse grenades. When heavy firepower was needed they were equipped with reciprocating quad blasters, PLX-1 missile launchers, or Z-6 rotary blaster cannons. Jedi arn't just going to be able to easily deflect fire from those weapons. I can easily see an ARC trooper being stronger than most Jedi Knights, look at what they did on Muunilist, I doubt most of the Jedi who died in the arena on Geonosis are that good. And I'd put AOTC Anakin about on par with the avg. Knight, so I think an ARC is about on par with him if not better. And some ARC's, like Fordo and Alpha, are definately stronger.
I would ARC's are on par with maybe 50% of the Jedi Order. I mean, unless the ARC's are like Fordo or Alpha, they'll probably lose as the Jedi lightsabers will slash through them.
Yeah, your right. Yoda has far more training than Sidious does but Sidious beat Yoda. Cin Drallig has more training than ROTS Anakin but Anakin beat him. Ki-Adi Munid and the other Jedi on Hypori had more training than grievous did but they lost. So your point is moot.
Sidious beats Yoda, bullshit. He can never beat Yoda. Sidious only won due to the terrain they were fighting in.
Sidious beats Yoda, bullshit. He can never beat Yoda. Sidious only won due to the terrain they were fighting in.
Okay..so if they were in a field of flowers Yoda would have won? Or a big cave? Or Chuck E Cheese? The fact is, you don't know that. We have Palpatine stalemating Yoda/mild victory for Palpatine and clear loss for Yoda -you don't say "failed, I have" and go into solitude for being anything close to a victor. Palpatine 1 point and lYoda 0. You can argue what you want about if they were in your bedroom and Palpatine was afflicted with Syphillis but that's not really important when compared with what actually happened.
I would ARC's are on par with maybe 50% of the Jedi Order. I mean, unless the ARC's are like Fordo or Alpha, they'll probably lose as the Jedi lightsabers will slash through them.
Palpatine and Yoda are equals. Both are the most uber-est powerful of the PT and OT.
The reason that we saw Palpatine constantly change the scenery of the fight is simply because he and Yoda had different goals. Yoda's ultimate goal was to kill Sidious - at any cost. Palpatine's goal was to live - at any cost. Honestly. The man just gained control over the galaxy. You honestly think he'd want to stick around and duke it out with a guy who is his equal - and risk sending a twenty year plan (and his life) down the drain as part of the risk?
Not likely.
Originally posted by Escape81
Palpatine and Yoda are equals. Both are the most uber-est powerful of the PT and OT.The reason that we saw Palpatine constantly change the scenery of the fight is simply because he and Yoda had different goals. Yoda's ultimate goal was to [B]kill
Sidious - at any cost. Palpatine's goal was to live - at any cost. Honestly. The man just gained control over the galaxy. You honestly think he'd want to stick around and duke it out with a guy who is his equal - and risk sending a twenty year plan (and his life) down the drain as part of the risk?Not likely. [/B]
Originally posted by Escape81
Palpatine and Yoda are equals. Both are the most uber-est powerful of the PT and OT.The reason that we saw Palpatine constantly change the scenery of the fight is simply because he and Yoda had different goals. Yoda's ultimate goal was to [B]kill
Sidious - at any cost. Palpatine's goal was to live - at any cost. Honestly. The man just gained control over the galaxy. You honestly think he'd want to stick around and duke it out with a guy who is his equal - and risk sending a twenty year plan (and his life) down the drain as part of the risk?Not likely. [/B]
Okay..so if they were in a field of flowers Yoda would have won? Or a big cave? Or Chuck E Cheese? The fact is, you don't know that. We have Palpatine stalemating Yoda/mild victory for Palpatine and clear loss for Yoda -you don't say "failed, I have" and go into solitude for being anything close to a victor. Palpatine 1 point and lYoda 0. You can argue what you want about if they were in your bedroom and Palpatine was afflicted with Syphillis but that's not really important when compared with what actually happened.
Yes, Sidious purposely took Yoda to an environment where he's at a disadvantage: the Senate Hall. He's know he can get to a higher ground above Yoda and throw stuff quicker than he can.
Therefore Sidious jumps on a platform and begins throwing huge circles twenty times the size of his little green friend at Yoda. Talk about disadvantage. And yet Yoda was able to dodge all of them. When his lightsaber was gone he blocked Sids lightning with his bare hands (Mace had trouble blocking it with his lightsaber) and redirect back at Sidious.
Guess what would have happened at Chuck E Cheese, Yoda gets pushed back several feet and Sidious gets slammed into the mini basketball stand. Yoda comes up and then prepares to probably finish Sidious (via saber throw).
And you're telling me Yoda will go up there and confront Sidious again especially when Sids can keep throwing 50 million Senate seats at him. Yoda is playing it safe. He knows he can't risk his life so he goes into solitude. Yeah he did fail his mission, does that mean Sidious is better than him, hell no!
Yes, Sidious purposely took Yoda to an environment where he's at a disadvantage: the Senate Hall. He's know he can get to a higher ground above Yoda and throw stuff quicker than he can.
Therefore Sidious jumps on a platform and begins throwing huge circles twenty times the size of his little green friend at Yoda. Talk about disadvantage.
Guess what would have happened at Chuck E Cheese, Yoda gets pushed back several feet and Sidious gets slammed into the mini basketball stand. Yoda comes up and then prepares to probably finish Sidious (via saber throw).
And you're telling me Yoda will go up there and confront Sidious again especially when Sids can keep throwing 50 million Senate seats at him. Yoda is playing it safe. He knows he can't risk his life so he goes into solitude. Yeah he did fail his mission, does that mean Sidious is better than him, hell no!
That's a lame excuse. Sidious was intelligent enough to use his surroundings to his advantage, something that Yoda failed to do. Sidious could take advantage of his surrounding no matter where the fight took place, Theed, Hypori, Bespin wherever. I don't see it being any different because they fought in the Great Rotunda as Yoda likely knows that place as well if not betetr than Sidious does.
How will he get the advantage there? In the Senate building he has thousands of throwable objects.
Yes, and why did Sidious get that advantage? Because he was stronger, if Yoda were truely stringer than Sidious it would have been Yoda who had gotten the advantage, not Sidious.
Yoda takes time to throw things, that's why he couldn't do the same to Sidious. Sidious took advantage of Yoda by throwing objects twenty times Yoda's size.
And Sidious stops his saber with the Force, cuts the hilt in half so the saber no longer works (like what Dooku did to Ani's second saber in AOTC), gets out of the basketball stand and saber rapes Yoda.
If they were on a flat surface, Sidious would be on the ground and then Yoda can take the advantage.
If Yoda's betetr than he is then why'd he lose? And don't try and tell me it was due to Sidious geting a terrain advantage cause if Yoda was really stronger than Sidious that means he just stood there and let Sidious get the advantage, which makes him weaker.
Sidious could have jumped to the higher surface and the fired lightning to make Yoda dodge and then proceed to start throwing stuff at him.
And take this, Yoda threw something twenty times his size at Sidious at a high speed. Can Sidious throw a rancor (twenty times the size of Sids)? I don't think so.
Sidious was defeated by Mace Windu in lightsaber comabt. The only person greater than Mace is Yoda. Therefore, whatever Sidious does Yoda will win.
Yoda is greater than Sidious.
Piss poor logic.
a. Mace defeated Sidious in lightsaber combat when Sidious was thirteen years out of practice. Some of us have read sources that indicate his skills with a saber during the time before TPM, when he was training Darth Maul. Considering how Sidious was able to kill three Master level Jedi in less than thirty seconds, and that the only reason Mace won was due to his uber-rare Shatterpoint ability, I'd say that that speaks well for him.
b. Mace, Yoda, and Palpatine are all on par. Neither of them are better than the other by a truly massive degree. That the databank calls Sidious "the most powerful practitioner of the Dark Side" in modern times and during the time of the duel, as well as Palpatine's ability to stalemate Yoda, means that overall (including Force powers) he is more powerful than Mace and equal to Yoda.
c. If Yoda > Sidious, then his mastery of the Force would be greater. Yoda's small size would not be the reason why he took longer to lift the pods. It took him longer because he had to fight against gravity and stop the damn thing before it nailed him. Then, he had to spin it up and throw it back. That's a considerable achievement, and given his other abilities shown - it would seem that - on even ground, Yoda would lift those pods as easily as Palpatine.
If they were on a flat surface, Sidious would be on the ground and then Yoda can take the advantage.
Here's what's cute.
Palpatine was the one who landed the first blow with Force lightning. Yoda was knocked unconscious. So I could easily say that, if Sidious didn't run his mouth, he could have ran over and either:
a. skewered the unconscious Yoda with his lightsaber
or
b. continue to fry him with Force lightning.
The only person in a position to kill anyone in that fight, was Sidious, and he ran his mouth and very nearly paid the price. That was when he decided to flee, instead of risk his death in a showdown with Yoda. But, considering all he won that day, I really can't blame him.
Sidious could have jumped to the higher surface and the fired lightning to make Yoda dodge and then proceed to start throwing stuff at him.
Hate to tell you, but some things happened due to dramatic neccessity. Notice how, as I mentioned, Sidious could have killed Yoda, when he knocked Yoda unconscious. However, Yoda needed to survive to be in the PT. That's the same reason why a lot of this "common sense" stuff and fighting maneuvers were never used. Why Yoda never chucked a lightsaber at Sidious, or vice versa. Or why Yoda never hopped back up to finish the fight.
And take this, Yoda threw something twenty times his size at Sidious at a high speed. Can Sidious throw a rancor (twenty times the size of Sids)? I don't think so.
Um... Sidious threw three Senate pods simultaneously without any difficulty. I'd say that he could lift a rancor.
Sidious was defeated by Mace Windu in lightsaber comabt. The only person greater than Mace is Yoda. Therefore, whatever Sidious does Yoda will win.
Already addressed this.
Yoda is greater than Sidious.'
They're equal. RotS Sidious and RotS Yoda are equals. OT Sidious is more powerful than Yoda. DE Sidious is quite a bit more powerful than Yoda.
'Here's what's cute.
Palpatine was the one who landed the first blow with Force lightning. Yoda was knocked unconscious. So I could easily say that, if Sidious didn't run his mouth, he could have ran over and either:
a. skewered the unconscious Yoda with his lightsaber
or
b. continue to fry him with Force lightning.
The only person in a position to kill anyone in that fight, was Sidious, and he ran his mouth and very nearly paid the price. That was when he decided to flee, instead of risk his death in a showdown with Yoda. But, considering all he won that day, I really can't blame him.'
(a) Yoda wasn't completely prepared in the sense that he didn't have his saber out.
(b) Yoda was either caught off guard (very unlikely as Palpatine made it very obvious that he was going to do something) or didn't even attempt to block it for some unknown reason.
'RotS Sidious and RotS Yoda are equals.'
Unsupported assumptions much?
(a) Yoda wasn't completely prepared in the sense that he didn't have his saber out.
Lol. Gonna call it an unfair move now? Yoda knew what he was getting into. He was armed with the knowledge that Palpatine was a Sith Lord (and apparently a very dangerous one) and went in like he owned the place. And, guess what? He got knocked out because of it.
I could also state that Yoda caught Sidious "off guard" with that Force push.
(b) Yoda was either caught off guard (very unlikely as Palpatine made it very obvious that he was going to do something) or didn't even attempt to block it for some unknown reason.
Oh, so Yoda wanted to get knocked out? Look again. He tried to block the lightning when it was hurled. He just didn't make it. It was like an Old West gunfight. Sidious was just quicker on the draw.
'RotS Sidious and RotS Yoda are equals.'Unsupported assumptions much?
Tell ya what. You provide half of what I have in this for the "Lumiya > DE Sidious and Vader" theory, and we'll talk. In the meantime, lol, don't run your virtual mouth by telling me that I have unsupported assumptions.
Half of what you spout has idiocy labeled all over it.